Kansas/Oklahoma Shooting Foul followed by T

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

The official missed the play due to positioning, not anticipation IMO. He was stacked on the play and had to guess. I've seen the play a dozen times now and have no idea how to position yourself that fast to see between the players. This is a play that any ref could miss, depending on how lucky they were.

Get where you need to be to referee that play, that's what one of my supervisor's preaches.

[Remington]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Get where you need to be to referee that play, that's what one of my supervisor's preaches.

I agree with this (obviously), but I watched this game and kept rewinding the play and there was no where for the official to go. I think he started a little to high on the play, but that is one where you just don't get a good look. To truly get a good look he would have had to be very low near the endline (and there wasn't time for that) or high side and out onto the floor 8 feet. There were players on his high side so he would have been directly in the way had the OU guard passed the ball.

I like discussions like these as long as we don't rip this very talented official (which we aren't). It was a play he just shouldn't have put air in his whistle because he couldn't see it. It's no different than when a player is going away from you and he/she may travel but you can't see whether the ball is held or not. I made a similar call like this last weekend. Mine was correct (from video) but I couldn't see it. The coach jumped me a bit on it and said how can you call that you were completely straight lined. It didn't warrant a T but I quickly said "we can talk about it next time I'm by you." It was a collegiate men's game so I went away from the table after reporting. I got near the coach about 2 transitions later and told him he was correct, I didn't have a good enough look at it and it wouldn't happen again tonight. He said, "well, the video board showed you were right but I appreciate you admitting you were straight lined. I just wish more refs would be honest with us."

I got very lucky and the minute I hit the whistle I knew I was guessing. I'm actually quite good at holding the whistle in that but I just made an error. I wonder what the coach would have said if the video board showed I completely kicked the call. I would have had the same response, but I don't think he would have been so polite with our follow up conversation........

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Originally Posted by Remington

I agree with this (obviously), but I watched this game and kept rewinding the play and there was no where for the official to go. I think he started a little to high on the play, but that is one where you just don't get a good look. To truly get a good look he would have had to be very low near the endline (and there wasn't time for that) or high side and out onto the floor 8 feet. There were players on his high side so he would have been directly in the way had the OU guard passed the ball.

Agree, there was no good position for Slot in the amount of time he had to adjust.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Get where you need to be to referee that play, that's what one of my supervisor's preaches.

Please go watch the play again and tell me where Slot needs to be in order to see that play.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Please go watch the play again and tell me where Slot needs to be in order to see that play.

Considering the clock is running down, and one of the best shooters in the nation has the ball, and where that official is standing, he should have stepped out on to the court so he could get a clear view of the shooting hand.

If he had started at home base, FTLE, he could have had an opportunity to step down to the sideline and look back through the play.

Either one would have taken some nimble movement and he may still have got the play wrong, but either is preferable to just standing there, allowing the stack to happen, then blowing your whistle on a foul that wasn't there. By staying stationary he has no credibility on this call b/c everyone knows he couldn't see it from where he was standing.

[BigT]

Do we have a link to more camera angles of this play or is the one link all we have?

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by BigT

Do we have a link to more camera angles of this play or is the one link all we have?

I haven't looked at the link, but I presume it shows the backside view. There was a replay during the game that clearly showed it from the other side and the defender blocked it clean as the shooter was gathering the ball and bringing it up.