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Old Sat Mar 01, 2014, 10:56pm
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Video Request of Kansas at Oklahoma State game.

An OSU player was called for a block against a KU player with 6:50 left in the second half. It was an easier charge call than the one in the Syracuse-Duke game of last Saturday.

I would appreciate it for our video gurus to post a video of the play. Much thanks in advance.

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Old Sun Mar 02, 2014, 02:39am
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Some of you may be able to browse to the play (6:50 second half) here: ESPN3 -- Kansas vs. Oklahoma State
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Old Sun Mar 02, 2014, 03:47am
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Looks like a charge to me.
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Old Sun Mar 02, 2014, 09:30am
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video added

Here's the play...


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In real time, it appears the defender is moving forward at the point of contact. Slo-mo replay doesn't really disprove that theory either (IMO)ůmaybe muddles it just a little. I have no problem with a block call here.

I don't think this play was nearly as definitive as Duke-Syracuse.
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This is what happens when you move away from NFHS toward the NBA in philosophy.

They took a difficult call that came down to LGP vs airborne player to LGP, restricted area vs upward motion. So instead of two pretty much cut and dry judgments you now have one cut and dry, one less so and one that is being interpreted all over the place.
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Old Sun Mar 02, 2014, 11:16am
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No call, if I could get away with it. I see the offensive player go to the defender, but the through is very minimal, if anything.

If not, charge. I see the defender establish LGP before upward motion occurs, however like the Duke-Syracuse play the defender appears to be moving forward because he is straightening his knees and standing taller.
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Charge ...

In my high school game: Player control foul. I don't know what the heck it would be with the new NCAA rule interpretation, and I don't care (unless it trickles down to the NFHS someday).
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Block. Defender still moving forward at the time of contact.
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Old Sun Mar 02, 2014, 02:19pm
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Block. Defender still moving forward at the time of contact.
Camron, it seems his feet are stationary. Is the slight forward movement of his torso, as he straightens up, enough to consider the defender as still moving into the shooter?
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I am a KU guy but if I am the L, we are going the other way with a PCF.

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Camron, it seems his feet are stationary. Is the slight forward movement of his torso, as he straightens up, enough to consider the defender as still moving into the shooter?
Yes. If the defender contacts opponent with his torso when the torso is still moving forward, that is not LGP, just like a lean into the path of an opponent who is slipping buy. I'd consider it different if the defender had already been there and was just "firming up", as some like to call it, but, in this play, he was just jumping into position and didn't get "there" yet.
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Yes. If the defender contacts opponent with his torso when the torso is still moving forward, that is not LGP, just like a lean into the path of an opponent who is slipping buy. I'd consider it different if the defender had already been there and was just "firming up", as some like to call it, but, in this play, he was just jumping into position and didn't get "there" yet.
Thanks, Camron. It's a close one, and this season I've been concentrating on two aspects of such calls:
1) What did the defender do wrong?
2) How do I answer, specifically, if his coach asks me what he did wrong?
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I'd consider it different if the defender had already been there and was just "firming up", as some like to call it, but, in this play, he was just jumping into position and didn't get "there" yet.
"Firming up" was exactly what he was doing.
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