Which Ref Is Correct?

[zm1283]

I don't have a problem with what the Lead did. If I had a partner who was so lax with his signal at the spot of the foul, his reporting, and what happened afterwards, I would want some clarification as well.

I was going to mention getting in the backcourt and counting as well, but I figured everyone else would see that stuff on their own.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I was going to mention getting in the backcourt and counting as well, but I figured everyone else would see that stuff on their own.

I thought he was very lazy to get into position. A quick steal would have really put him out of position and he would have had to possibly make a long distance call. He was not officiating the current play, but officiating what he hoped would be the next play IMO. And might have been the reason he was not giving the right signals.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What about that is cryptic? Seems like a decent analysis of the situation.

I think he was being sarcastic.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SAK

While it does not mean that you are blind to the rest of the gym I would have a hard time going that far out of my area to reach for a call. To make that call I would have to be 100% sure or more.

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Are you talking about the Lead? I'm pretty sure all he did was clarify the T's call since there was so much confusion. Judging by the rest of the action (offensive coach's reactions, table holding up 5 as soon as he does his walk-by report) in the video, T called the defender for the foul from the start. No one knew but him right away because he pointed the wrong way.

I'm guessing he's a relatively new official. This is clearly summer or fall ball judging by the team waiting behind the bench with the bleachers pushed in. The L was likely the veteran official here.

We've all been there with a newer partner who just doesn't have good mechanics yet. The guy made the right call, he just got the mechanics wrong.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

Moot.

(Twice in one week.)

What is moot?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What is moot?

I certain person on this topic said, "mute" when meaning "moot." They have since changed their reasonable mistake.

Peace

[SAK]

Originally Posted by Adam

Are you talking about the Lead? I'm pretty sure all he did was clarify the T's call since there was so much confusion. Judging by the rest of the action (offensive coach's reactions, table holding up 5 as soon as he does his walk-by report) in the video, T called the defender for the foul from the start. No one knew but him right away because he pointed the wrong way.

I'm guessing he's a relatively new official. This is clearly summer or fall ball judging by the team waiting behind the bench with the bleachers pushed in. The L was likely the veteran official here.

We've all been there with a newer partner who just doesn't have good mechanics yet. The guy made the right call, he just got the mechanics wrong.

I was assuming this was a jv game and that is the varsity team getting ready

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What is moot?

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[ODog]

Originally Posted by SAK

I was assuming this was a jv game and that is the varsity team getting ready

I concur. Plus there are other officials standing by behind the visiting bench.

But ... 3-man for JV girls? I'm impressed. What state is this?

[SAK]

Originally Posted by ODog

I concur. Plus there are other officials standing by behind the visiting bench.

But ... 3-man for JV girls? I'm impressed. What state is this?

I agree. But what better way to learn the system

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[ODog]

Originally Posted by SAK

But what better way to learn the system

No doubt. I think it's terrific, and great that the schools have it in their budgets to extend that down to lower levels.

It appears this is Arvin (Calif.) High School. So props to the Golden State!

[Dad]

Originally Posted by ODog

I concur. Plus there are other officials standing by behind the visiting bench.

But ... 3-man for JV girls? I'm impressed. What state is this?

I'm always a little shocked there are states that don't 3-man the majority of JV games.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Dad

I'm always a little shocked there are states that don't 3-man the majority of JV games.

Here in the Constitution State, I have never officiated, observed, or heard about a three person junior varsity game. I've officiated one three person game in my thirty-five year career. Here in my little corner of the state, 99% of our regular season varsity games are two person, and only one league will request three officials for it's league finals, and that's not a given every year for both genders. State tournament games are not three person until the quarterfinal round.

Why? Maybe it's about money, or lack of training, or the number of officials needed on a nightly basis, but it's mainly due to the fact that the most powerful coaches in the state coaches association are fearful that more fouls will be called, they don't want three officials, and the state high school interscholastic sports governing body does what the coaches lobby wants.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SAK

I was assuming this was a jv game and that is the varsity team getting ready



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Originally Posted by ODog

I concur. Plus there are other officials standing by behind the visiting bench.

But ... 3-man for JV girls? I'm impressed. What state is this?

1. The bleachers are nearly always pulled out for varsity games, well before time. I've literally never seen a varsity game with one half of the gym closed off for spectators like this. It's an off season set up.

2. Varsity officials never stand behind the benches in the moments before their game starts. Again, that screams off-season ball to me.

3. Unrelated because of #1 and #2, but we do 3 for large school JV in my area.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Here in the Constitution State, I have never officiated, observed, or heard about a three person junior varsity game. I've officiated one three person game in my thirty-five year career. Here in my little corner of the state, 99% of our regular season varsity games are two person, and only one league will request three officials for it's league finals, and that's not a given every year for both genders. State tournament games are not three person until the quarterfinal round.

Why? Maybe it's about money, or lack of training, or the number of officials needed on a nightly basis, but it's mainly due to the fact that the most powerful coaches in the state coaches association are fearful that more fouls will be called, they don't want three officials, and state high school interscholastic sports governing body does what the coaches lobby wants.

Maybe I've grown too used to 3-man JV/V. Wonder if I'm in trouble if I ever move and have to acclimate to a new association.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Dad

Maybe I've grown too used to 3-man JV/V. Wonder if I'm in trouble if I ever move and have to acclimate to a new association.

Just don't move to Connecticut.