Which Ref Is Correct?

[SAK]

Originally Posted by Adam

Are you talking about the Lead? I'm pretty sure all he did was clarify the T's call since there was so much confusion. Judging by the rest of the action (offensive coach's reactions, table holding up 5 as soon as he does his walk-by report) in the video, T called the defender for the foul from the start. No one knew but him right away because he pointed the wrong way.

I'm guessing he's a relatively new official. This is clearly summer or fall ball judging by the team waiting behind the bench with the bleachers pushed in. The L was likely the veteran official here.

We've all been there with a newer partner who just doesn't have good mechanics yet. The guy made the right call, he just got the mechanics wrong.

I was assuming this was a jv game and that is the varsity team getting ready

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What is moot?

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[ODog]

Originally Posted by SAK

I was assuming this was a jv game and that is the varsity team getting ready

I concur. Plus there are other officials standing by behind the visiting bench.

But ... 3-man for JV girls? I'm impressed. What state is this?

[SAK]

Originally Posted by ODog

I concur. Plus there are other officials standing by behind the visiting bench.

But ... 3-man for JV girls? I'm impressed. What state is this?

I agree. But what better way to learn the system

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[ODog]

Originally Posted by SAK

But what better way to learn the system

No doubt. I think it's terrific, and great that the schools have it in their budgets to extend that down to lower levels.

It appears this is Arvin (Calif.) High School. So props to the Golden State!

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by ODog

It appears this is Arvin (Calif.) High School. So props to the Golden State!

huh. My son is playing JV in So Cal, and we've never seen three refs. (League hasn't started, but I'm pretty sure from the game we went to last year that even their league games are 2 man (Mission League, for anyone who knows SoCal).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

huh. My son is playing JV in So Cal, and we've never seen three refs. (League hasn't started, but I'm pretty sure from the game we went to last year that even their league games are 2 man (Mission League, for anyone who knows SoCal).

Preseason scrimmages and off season leagues are often used to train officials. I'm guessing this was a varsity level game played in the off season. The T in this play was in a bit over his head judging by his mechanics, which tend to be the first thing to go when an official is nervous or panicked.

He may be a solid JV official ready to start the process of moving up, or he may have simply had a brain cramp, or he may have just been dialing in the summer stuff and not really cared much about communication. My guess is the first option.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by ODog

I concur. Plus there are other officials standing by behind the visiting bench.

But ... 3-man for JV girls? I'm impressed. What state is this?

I'm always a little shocked there are states that don't 3-man the majority of JV games.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Dad

I'm always a little shocked there are states that don't 3-man the majority of JV games.

Here in the Constitution State, I have never officiated, observed, or heard about a three person junior varsity game. I've officiated one three person game in my thirty-five year career. Here in my little corner of the state, 99% of our regular season varsity games are two person, and only one league will request three officials for it's league finals, and that's not a given every year for both genders. State tournament games are not three person until the quarterfinal round.

Why? Maybe it's about money, or lack of training, or the number of officials needed on a nightly basis, but it's mainly due to the fact that the most powerful coaches in the state coaches association are fearful that more fouls will be called, they don't want three officials, and the state high school interscholastic sports governing body does what the coaches lobby wants.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Here in the Constitution State, I have never officiated, observed, or heard about a three person junior varsity game. I've officiated one three person game in my thirty-five year career. Here in my little corner of the state, 99% of our regular season varsity games are two person, and only one league will request three officials for it's league finals, and that's not a given every year for both genders. State tournament games are not three person until the quarterfinal round.

Why? Maybe it's about money, or lack of training, or the number of officials needed on a nightly basis, but it's mainly due to the fact that the most powerful coaches in the state coaches association are fearful that more fouls will be called, they don't want three officials, and state high school interscholastic sports governing body does what the coaches lobby wants.

Maybe I've grown too used to 3-man JV/V. Wonder if I'm in trouble if I ever move and have to acclimate to a new association.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Dad

Maybe I've grown too used to 3-man JV/V. Wonder if I'm in trouble if I ever move and have to acclimate to a new association.

Just don't move to Connecticut.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Dad

Maybe I've grown too used to 3-man JV/V. Wonder if I'm in trouble if I ever move and have to acclimate to a new association.

I'd probably retire if I had to go back to 2-person. I've had a good run.

[TimTaylor]

We are doing 3 person for the first time at the high school level in Oregon this season on a limited basis.

It requires opt-in from both the officials association and the school league/conference. In our area we have two conferences that have opted in at the varsity level only for this season.

[SAK]

Originally Posted by Dad

Maybe I've grown too used to 3-man JV/V. Wonder if I'm in trouble if I ever move and have to acclimate to a new association.

And don't move to Arizaona

[Dad]

Originally Posted by SAK

And don't move to Arizaona

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Dad

I'm always a little shocked there are states that don't 3-man the majority of JV games.

It is simply a cost issue for the schools or conferences. Not saying that is a good reason, but you might not find many officials qualified to work those games and you will not have schools willing to pay an extra check a game for a lower level game.

Peace