Points off the board??

[Hartsy]

V1 fouls H1. Her 5th, team 8th. Teams line up for the free throw/s. Officials do not recognize signal from table that it is V1 5th. Ball with free thrower who is in shooting motion as buzzer sounds. Shot goes in. Officials remove V1 AND the point, bring in sub, then reset for the "1 and 1".

The whole process was a mess, but the "fix" was, too. It could have been worse I guess had the initial shot or it's "replacement" missed. Anything I am missing here? It's not how I would have handled it.

[Welpe]

Count the bucket and get a sub in for the second shot. You can't take points off for this and the horn does not kill the play.

[ODog]

Agreed.

Allow me to ask Hartsy's followup question: What if she missed?

I would just readminister after we replaced the DQd player. Thoughts?

[BigT]

Originally Posted by ODog

Agreed.

Allow me to ask Hartsy's followup question: What if she missed?

I would just readminister after we replaced the DQd player. Thoughts?

agreed I would reshot.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by ODog

Agreed.

Allow me to ask Hartsy's followup question: What if she missed?

I would just readminister after we replaced the DQd player. Thoughts?

Until play is whistled dead V1 remains in game. Next dead ball following the miss, remove/replace V1 and then continue at POI, which would be possession arrow if whistle sounded before either team secured the rebound. This might get ugly if only one team reacted on the miss due to the horn sounding.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Until play is whistled dead V1 remains in game. Next dead ball following the miss, remove/replace V1 and then continue at POI, which would be possession arrow if whistle sounded before either team secured the rebound. This might get ugly if only one team reacted on the miss due to the horn sounding.

What on earth is this you are describing?

You take a player with their 5th foul out as soon as it's discovered. You do not wait for the next dead ball.

[Hartsy]

Yes, its just a matter of WHEN the whistle blows. If you recognize the error before the rebound is secured, then POI. If after, it goes to team in control when whistle blew.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ODog

Agreed.

Allow me to ask Hartsy's followup question: What if she missed?

I would just readminister after we replaced the DQd player. Thoughts?

If the horn was sounded as she was shooting, then the R could invoke 2-3 and allow a replacement FT due to her being disturbed by the table crew.

If the ball had already been released when the horn sounded and she misses the shot, then the proper ruling is to use the AP arrow to award possession following the substitution, if the officials stopped play and recognized the horn. If the officials elect to ignore the horn, then play should continue until the ball is in the control of the team with the player having five fouls. At that point the scorer should sound the horn and play should be halted to DQ this player.

We had another thread on this just last week.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If the ball had already been released when the horn sounded ...

Not the scenario.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If the officials elect to ignore the horn, then play should continue until the ball is in the control of the team with the player having five fouls. At that point the scorer should sound the horn and play should be halted to DQ this player.

This solution makes no sense. If you know that there is a player on the court with 5 fouls that should have been DQed, why not stop play immediately and DQ them? Are you really going to allow them to play defense? What if they are the tallest player on the court, and end up blocking a potential game winning shot, when they shouldn't have even been on the court?

About the only reason I would delay a whistle to take care of the DQ is if the other team has the ball and is headed down on a fast break for an uncontested layup. Otherwise, I'm blowing it dead when I realize it, no matter which team has the ball, and making the replacement to get the player with 5 fouls out of the game.

[BigT]

+1