Help on rules interpretation

[bluehair]

Citation: Fed 8-4-2(i)

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by bluehair

Citation: Fed 8-4-2(i)

Thanks Bluehair

[jicecone]

Well if it is snowing, and your a veteran umpire and make a call of safe and I am your assignor, your next game is Freshmen Ball.

[Fed2You]

In the OP, is the runner trying to get back to the bag because he didn't tag up, thus making it a force out?

Because on a play which requires the runner to be tagged, touching a runner with the glove and the ball in the other hand does not lead to an out. The ball must be in the glove if the glove is used to tag him.

From NFHS Rules By Topic (pg 85) "The tag must include the ball. If the ball isn't in the glove, the glove touching the runner has no effect."

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Fed2You

In the OP, is the runner trying to get back to the bag because he didn't tag up, thus making it a force out?

Because on a play which requires the runner to be tagged, touching a runner with the glove and the ball in the other hand does not lead to an out. The ball must be in the glove if the glove is used to tag him.

From NFHS Rules By Topic (pg 85) "The tag must include the ball. If the ball isn't in the glove, the glove touching the runner has no effect."

Repeat after me 10 times:

It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Repeat after me 10 times:

It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out

after me ten times..................................

Now what do I do, coach?

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Repeat after me 10 times:

It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out
It is not a Force Out

Best post of the thread.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Fed2You

In the OP, is the runner trying to get back to the bag because he didn't tag up, thus making it a force out?

Please explain one scenario (any one will do) in baseball where a runner can be forced back to a bag.

(Hint: There are none.)

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Rich

Please explain one scenario (any one will do) in baseball where a runner can be forced back to a bag.

(Hint: There are none.)

It's stuff like that is why this forum doesn't hold water anymore...think about it. He more that likely knows the right answer, but not the terminology.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

It's stuff like that is why this forum doesn't hold water anymore...think about it. He more that likely knows the right answer, but not the terminology.

Then he learned something. Isn't that why this place is here?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

It's stuff like that is why this forum doesn't hold water anymore...think about it. He more that likely knows the right answer, but not the terminology.

But he doesn't know the right answer. Not only was the terminology incorrect, his answer that the runner had to be tagged was ALSO incorrect.

To the OP - sorry for the wrong answers above. This should have been an out.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Fed2You

In the OP, is the runner trying to get back to the bag because he didn't tag up, thus making it a force out?

Because on a play which requires the runner to be tagged, touching a runner with the glove and the ball in the other hand does not lead to an out. The ball must be in the glove if the glove is used to tag him.

From NFHS Rules By Topic (pg 85) "The tag must include the ball. If the ball isn't in the glove, the glove touching the runner has no effect."

This play (an appeal, not a force) does not require that the runner be tagged. The base can be tagged. When tagging a base the ball has to be held securely in the hand or glove and the base tagged with the body (includes gloves, shoes, hair, uniform, etc.)

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

When tagging a base the ball has to be held securely in the hand or glove and the base tagged with the body (includes... hair...)

I'm waiting for the day when the home team is down one with two outs in the bottom of the last with an R3. The batter bunts, F2 throws to F3 who catches the ball but loses his footing and falls down, but his long hair grazes the base just before the B/R gets there.

[Tim C]

"Thanks for the civil response Bob. All you other Francises need to lighten up."

Actually I just read this thread for the first time today.

Everything I read was pretty tame by internet umpire standards.

What people find is that internet umpires are anal in the vocabulary of umpiring.

There is little to no toleration for using incorrect argot of the umpire hobbyist that float the unending land of oz.

I think you taking offense was really quite funny.

T

[Forest Ump]

No doubt. Just add "ing" to the description, "time play" and you will get a minimum of ten responses.