Bryce Harper ejection

[LMan]

Originally Posted by UES

That is the difference between an amatuer umpire and a professional one. The amatuer automatically ejects...pretty easy to do and doesn't require much thought. Professional umpires are PAID to think about the situation, analyze and then determine the appropriate action. You think like an amateur umpire and that may be ok at the level(s) of games that you work. However, CB is a MLB umpire who is paid a lot of money to think before he reacts. In my opinion, he handled that situation in amateur like manner... which is not expected from a MLB umpire.

I laughed.

[Welpe]

Spiking gear is pretty much an automatic EJ in the the majors regardless of motive.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by ues

ozzy: "i'm not going to stand there and try and analyze why the player threw the helmet, i'm going to dump him and his manager if he doesn't like it!"

that is the difference between an amatuer umpire and a professional one. The amatuer automatically ejects...pretty easy to do and doesn't require much thought. Professional umpires are paid to think about the situation, analyze and then determine the appropriate action. You think like an amateur umpire and that may be ok at the level(s) of games that you work. However, cb is a mlb umpire who is paid a lot of money to think before he reacts. In my opinion, he handled that situation in amateur like manner... Which is not expected from a mlb umpire.

you wouldn't make it through the minors with that attitude.

[JR12]

I live in MD and follow the Orioles and Nats. Harper should have been tossed a few times this season and was'nt.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by UES

Ozzy: "I'm not going to stand there and try and analyze why the player threw the helmet, I'm going to dump him and his manager if he doesn't like it!"

That is the difference between an amatuer umpire and a professional one. The amatuer automatically ejects...pretty easy to do and doesn't require much thought. Professional umpires are PAID to think about the situation, analyze and then determine the appropriate action. You think like an amateur umpire and that may be ok at the level(s) of games that you work. However, CB is a MLB umpire who is paid a lot of money to think before he reacts. In my opinion, he handled that situation in amateur like manner... which is not expected from a MLB umpire.

Your right. Some of these guys pump their chests out so far they don't need a chest proctector.

[Publius]

Yikes.

If I used the CB standard, I'd have about two dozen more ejections per year.

That was weak at any level where the players have two digits in their age. If a player doesn't look at me, doesn't gesture, doesn't say anything, and the equipment is thrown down (i.e., not across the diamond), that's frustration with himself and does not need to be punished.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Publius

Yikes.

If I used the CB standard, I'd have about two dozen more ejections per year.

That was weak at any level where the players have two digits in their age. If a player doesn't look at me, doesn't gesture, doesn't say anything, and the equipment is thrown down (i.e., not across the diamond), that's frustration with himself and does not need to be punished.

How funny: my first thought was kinda the opposite. Bucknor's EJ of Harper for this makes my job easier.

[DG]

Originally Posted by mbyron

How funny: my first thought was kinda the opposite. Bucknor's EJ of Harper for this makes my job easier.

Agree, he would only need to dump 2 or 3 before word gets around and everyone's job is easier.

[lawump]

I once ejected a player in a professional game for spiking his helmet. The first base coach was on me in a second arguing the ejection, saying "what did he do?!? What did he do?!?" The manager came sprinting out of the dugout. I braced myself for what I was sure was going to be a long argument with the manager...only to have the manager run past me, go right to his player, and start yelling at his player, "we don't do that in professional baseball!" (Among other things he said to his player.)

Next inning, the first base coach came out and said, "sorry, I didn't see him spike his helmet."

Professional managers, coaches and (at least, veteran) players know that spiking one's helmet after a close call is an automatic ejection. Davey Johnson's comments echo the knowledge of the vast majority of professional managers/coaches.

Actually, Ozzy's "attitude" would be anything but a hindrance to him going far in the minors.

I guarantee you that there is not one professional umpire (at least a professional umpire in an NAPBL or MLB league) that thinks CB's ejections was wrong.

[Chris_Hickman]

I happen to know UES and I agree with him regarding this EJ. I think when it come to equipment we need to take in as much information as we can before deciding to eject. The spiking of a helmet on a called 3rd strike as the rat says " you have to be f%{king kidding me?" is the easy EJ. The play that CB had is it so simple.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Chris_Hickman

I happen to know UES and I agree with him regarding this EJ. I think when it come to equipment we need to take in as much information as we can before deciding to eject. The spiking of a helmet on a called 3rd strike as the rat says " you have to be f%{king kidding me?" is the easy EJ. The play that CB had is it so simple.

Again, if hes not tossed, CB would have had a longer night in that locker room from his crew. Quit thinking about how you feel about officiating the game and understand how the Big Boys do it, Period

You don't get to the show by just being a nice guy.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Publius

Yikes.

If I used the CB standard, I'd have about two dozen more ejections per year.

That was weak at any level where the players have two digits in their age. If a player doesn't look at me, doesn't gesture, doesn't say anything, and the equipment is thrown down (i.e., not across the diamond), that's frustration with himself and does not need to be punished.

I might be alone here, but I would certainly eject in a HS game for this without batting an eye, and would probably eject in a college game as well.

I don't have a problem with Bucknor ejecting Harper here. If he doesn't want to leave, he shouldn't throw his helmet and make the umpire decide what his motives were. With that said, I don't think Harper did it maliciously and I don't think he's a punk. I think he is young and has some growing up to do and plays extremely hard.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I might be alone here, but I would certainly eject in a HS game for this without batting an eye, and would probably eject in a college game as well.

I don't have a problem with Bucknor ejecting Harper here. If he doesn't want to leave, he shouldn't throw his helmet and make the umpire decide what his motives were. With that said, I don't think Harper did it maliciously and I don't think he's a punk. I think he is young and has some growing up to do and plays extremely hard.

You're definitely not alone. I have tons of partners who eject for things at the HS and college levels that I'd never eject for. Mostly they're injecting their own opinion concerning what's acceptable behavior instead of whether the ejection assists with game management.

Your point about Harper making the umpire having to decide motive is valid, but doesn't alter the fact that CB decided wrong.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Publius

That was weak at any level where the players have two digits in their age.

Well, he certainly did act like a 10 year old

[PeteBooth]

IMO, the reason Harper got tossed is that he has developed a reputation.

If Derek Jeter (not that he would have) did the same EXACT thing as Harper I doubt very much he would have been tossed.

It's like World Peace (Artest) in the NBA. He gets NO-leeway because he has a reputation.

Also, not just with the Harper incident bu CB is not a "well loved" official to begin with.

FWIW I doubt very much Harper would have been tossed if this were a play-off game.

Paul O'Neil took his helmet off plenty of times and did not get tossed. Got fined but not tossed. This is major league baseball not kiddy ball.


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