What happened to me (Suspended)

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Close the dang book and think about diplomacy. You can be a dick and enforce the rules or you enforce them with a little diplomacy, depending on the level of ball your doing.

Sometimes it comes in the form of a Dictator and sometimes it requires the word please and thank you.

So, we both agree that the rules should be enforced. Tank describes himself as having been polite and professional, which is a large part of the way to diplomatic. Or do you mean by Diplomacy that Tank should have agreed to enforce only the rules the coaches wanted enforced?

[kylejt]

You just have to know the hill you want to die on, that's all.

If a local allows coaches to sit on buckets, and have for years, then someone comes alongs and starts ejecting over it, that's going to be a problem, rules or no rules.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by LilLeaguer

So, we both agree that the rules should be enforced. Tank describes himself as having been polite and professional, which is a large part of the way to diplomatic. Or do you mean by Diplomacy that Tank should have agreed to enforce only the rules the coaches wanted enforced?

It is one thing not to know, but when you don't know, that you don't know, I can't help you.

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by jicecone

It is one thing not to know, but when you don't know, that you don't know, I can't help you.

Well, I suppose that I don't know that I don't know that I need help. In any case, I was just trying to understand your position.

Thank you,

[johnnyg08]

Personally, I think you were a bit over-officious. That being said, for a board member to come out on the field and tell you how it is....I would've left the game.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

personally, i think you were a bit over-officious. That being said, for a board member to come out on the field and tell you how it is....i would've left the game.

+1

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jicecone

+1

Personally, I don't care if coaches are out of the dugouts as long as the buckets aren't. I pick my battles and this one is not worth picking.

Kids? That's another story. I expect them to be in the dugout when they aren't supposed to be outside.

[tankmjg24]

You go to work in the morning and return to 4 pages of discussion. Seems to be an interesting topic for everyone.

I have not shed a tear over being suspended, but am more upset that I was not backed by my UIC and that he allowed the board and coaches to walk all over me while I was the one being polite and professional. If they did this to me, what stops them from doing it to another umpire if something does not go their way?

I have 2 question for you though jicecone.

1. You allow the coaches to be outside the dugout. Little Johnny goes running after a foul ball, dives for it, and lands square onto the coach. The result of this Little Johnny has an anterior shoulder dislocation and needs to be taken to the emergency room to have it reduced. Mommy is rather upset and sues the league and the coach who in return state that you were not enforcing their rules and that you allowed the coach outside of the dugout. What is your response?

2. The coaches feel as if 3 outs are not enough in an inning so they decide that for their game they are going to have 4 out innings. Although the rule book says differently, this is what they want to do. Do you allow it

To me, if it is within the rule book it will be enforced. The way attorneys work nowadays I am not leaving myself open for liability. I am always approachable and respectful while umpiring unless a coach decides to be a jerk. I treat others the way that I wish to be treated.

To ozzy6900, I agree that the coaches should not leave the dugout and mingle with fans, however the board feels otherwise. It is permitted for coaches to come and go. The reasoning that they have is that maybe a coach might be late from work or needs to leave for work, or that maybe he has his 5 other kids present at the park and needs to go take care of them.

For the debate on rather Little League allows coaches on the field for Minors, we have to remember what is classified as Minors and what is not. Minor leagues are a developmental league where competition is supposed to be disregarded. The coaches are present to help instruct. We are not talking about 10 year olds that are playing competitive baseball. This rule is present for the leagues that wish to use it for their non competitive coach pitch divisions etc, not their competitive divisions. In international tournament play (whether it be 9/10, 10/11, or 11/12) you will find all the coaches within the dugout as none are permitted on the field of play unless you are a base coach while your team is on offense.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by tankmjg24

I have 2 question for you though jicecone.

1. You allow the coaches to be outside the dugout. Little Johnny goes running after a foul ball, dives for it, and lands square onto the coach. The result of this Little Johnny has an anterior shoulder dislocation and needs to be taken to the emergency room to have it reduced. Mommy is rather upset and sues the league and the coach who in return state that you were not enforcing their rules and that you allowed the coach outside of the dugout. What is your response?

2. The coaches feel as if 3 outs are not enough in an inning so they decide that for their game they are going to have 4 out innings. Although the rule book says differently, this is what they want to do. Do you allow it

First of all, to you and the rest of the people that truly believe 10 yr old baseball is serious stuff, well I am glad you weren't my Dad. What are you guys smoking? And we wonder why our youth of today has mental problem . They are pushed beyond there capacities well before they are mentally and even sometimes physically capable.

Now for your questions Tank. I will answer both at the same time.

YOUR DAM RIGHT I WOULD!

And if I was your assignor, you would be lucky if I let you hold my indicator, that I don't even use anymore.

Have a nice day.

[RPatrino]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Personally, I think you were a bit over-officious. That being said, for a board member to come out on the field and tell you how it is....I would've left the game.

He was not being over officious, he was trying to work the game as it should have been worked. What I would advise him to do next time, is to let go of the need to be right, and get the game over ASAP and never go back.

Had these same things happened to me, I would have been gone, like many other's here, as soon as that over bearing self absorbed league coordinator set foot on the field.

And BTW, coaches stopped needing to be on the field after Tball, these are 10 year old kids, and when I was coaching 10 year old's that were good enough made it to majors, the rest were in minors and coaches were NOT allowed on the field, except to coach first or third. So, I don't know where you guys are where 10 year old kids need adult assistance to simply play the game.