What happened to me (Suspended)

[tankmjg24]

For those of you that believe I should have ignored the coaches on the field I have just one question. What do you say when a player becomes injured due to these coaches being out of the dugout? There is no reason why they should be on the playing field. They do not need to be and the reason they are is because umpires let them. In my case these were 10 year olds. At this point they have the basic fundamentals and do not need a coach standing beside them giving them directions. I have umpired youth leagues before where a coach is permitted outside the dugout and no issues have arose. The difference though is that those leagues allowed it within their rules and it was 1 coach and not 5. I have also seen a lot of situations develop that would not have had the coaches been in the dugout where they belong.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

Thanks for reminding me why I don't work levels below high school.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re

Thanks for reminding me why I don't work levels below high school.

Amen

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by tankmjg24

FAt this point they have the basic fundamentals and do not need a coach standing beside them giving them directions.

You don't seem to get it. This is not your decision to make.

[tankmjg24]

What is there not to get? Their own rules clearly state that the defensive coaches must remain in the dugout. The rules of a good majority of youth leagues state the same.

In regards to the insurance, I am almost certain that is why their rules are worded the way they are. It seems like half the league is comprised of attorneys so they are versed in this. From watching the way they coach I would also venture to say if a situation were to arise that they would quickly throw the umpire under the bus.

[kylejt]

Too much drama injected by everyone involved.

Tank, you are not a good fit, for whatever reason, with this league. That's probably a good thing for your style of officiating. I wouldn't be a good fit, either.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by kylejt

too much drama injected by everyone involved.

Tank, you are not a good fit, for whatever reason, with this league. That's probably a good thing for your style of officiating. I wouldn't be a good fit, either.

+1

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by tankmjg24

What is there not to get? Their own rules clearly state that the defensive coaches must remain in the dugout. The rules of a good majority of youth leagues state the same.

What you don't get Tank is that you were there to officiate a 10 yr old game of baseball and NOT to set the League straight on what rules are, or, are not important. If you were at a League Directors meeting it may have been different but, you were just officiating a 10 yr old game of basseball and the auduence you had, did not come to listen to your message.

Your intentions were honorable.

The way you delivered your message, left a lot to be desired.

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by jicecone

What you don't get Tank is that you were there to officiate a 10 yr old game of baseball and NOT to set the League straight on what rules are, or, are not important. If you were at a League Directors meeting it may have been different but, you were just officiating a 10 yr old game of basseball and the auduence you had, did not come to listen to your message.

Your intentions were honorable.

The way you delivered your message, left a lot to be desired.

On a recent thread, Would you ignore Local Rule?, the consensus seemed to be that local rules should be enforced as written without umpire's discretion. That seemed like good advice to me. I cannot see how Tank's situation at root is any different.

I honestly don't know how I would have responded to the situation Tank found himself in. I do know that I wouldn't regret the suspension, as nothing could entice me to work a second game for that league.

[REFANDUMP]

I'll throw in my .02 here.

Was the other teams coach (or coaches) out of the dugout. If they were, that would have been a sign to me that this was acceptable in that area and would have left them alone, unless they were there questioning calls instead of coaching their kids. Why make a problem when there isn't one ?? I've been umpiring 30+ years and have never seen a player injured because of a coach.

What the hell pitches are the coaches calling ? It's 10 year old ball. The only thing they should be calling is "throw strikes" !!!

Once the board member confronted me and tried telling me what to do, I would have been long gone and he could have done whatever he wanted to (without you).

I would no longer be umpiring for this league if they're not going to back their umpires.

In my opinion, there is fault on everyone involved.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by LilLeaguer

On a recent thread, Would you ignore Local Rule?, the consensus seemed to be that local rules should be enforced as written without umpire's discretion. That seemed like good advice to me. I cannot see how Tank's situation at root is any different.

I honestly don't know how I would have responded to the situation Tank found himself in. I do know that I wouldn't regret the suspension, as nothing could entice me to work a second game for that league.

Close the dang book and think about diplomacy. You can be a dick and enforce the rules or you enforce them with a little diplomacy, depending on the level of ball your doing.

Sometimes it comes in the form of a Dictator and sometimes it requires the word please and thank you.

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Close the dang book and think about diplomacy. You can be a dick and enforce the rules or you enforce them with a little diplomacy, depending on the level of ball your doing.

Sometimes it comes in the form of a Dictator and sometimes it requires the word please and thank you.

So, we both agree that the rules should be enforced. Tank describes himself as having been polite and professional, which is a large part of the way to diplomatic. Or do you mean by Diplomacy that Tank should have agreed to enforce only the rules the coaches wanted enforced?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by tankmjg24

What is there not to get?

It's THEIR LEAGUE! Not yours. They've made it very clear how they want their rules deal with. Do it their way or MOVE ON. Those are your only choices, and it appears they have helped you decide.

Face reality and quit whining.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

You don't seem to get it. This is not your decision to make.

Huh? Why is it not his decision to make?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Huh? Why is it not his decision to make?

Deciding when a player is mature enough to not have coach assistance? Really? You think that's a decsion an umpire should be making?