Batter Runner proceeds to second with R1 on first.

[scarolinablue]

Huh...I actually forgot I had this team tonight, after discussing this today. And yes, they still do it...basically, they are coached to run everything out to (or at least past halfway) to second base on all balls, no matter how routine.

Didn't confuse the defense in tonight's game.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by scarolinablue

Huh...I actually forgot I had this team tonight, after discussing this today. And yes, they still do it...basically, they are coached to run everything out to (or at least past halfway) to second base on all balls, no matter how routine.

Didn't confuse the defense in tonight's game.

This is more along the lines of what is common at the HS level. Just don't pass the runner if the ball isn't caught.

[voiceoflg]

Originally Posted by scarolinablue

Huh...I actually forgot I had this team tonight, after discussing this today. And yes, they still do it...basically, they are coached to run everything out to (or at least past halfway) to second base on all balls, no matter how routine.

Didn't confuse the defense in tonight's game.

It would be interesting to see how the offense would react if the defense let the ball drop. I assume the BR who had passed R1 would be out anyway, this time for passing. But it might confuse a lesser experienced R1 into running and maybe getting picked off.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by voiceoflg

It would be interesting to see how the offense would react if the defense let the ball drop. I assume the BR who had passed R1 would be out anyway, this time for passing. But it might confuse a lesser experienced R1 into running and maybe getting picked off.

VoiceOfLG:

Your situation is the ideal example of why it is idiotic for a HC to require "Charlie Hustle" actions by his players.

It has been my experience that on deep fly balls to the outfield, B/R almost always touches 1B before the ball is caught. Therefore, in the Original Play (OP), if B2 has passed R1 before F8 caught the Fly Ball he would already had been out.

That said, whether B2 is out before or after he passes R1, NFHS Casebook Play 8.3.3 Situation I allows B2 to act in a manner that could induce the defense to make a play on a Retired Runner. The B/R knows he is out and he should get off the field in the most direct manner that will not interfere with anyother defensive play being made.

MTD, Sr.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

VoiceOfLG:

Your situation is the ideal example of why it is idiotic for a HC to require "Charlie Hustle" actions by his players.

It has been my experience that on deep fly balls to the outfield, B/R almost always touches 1B before the ball is caught. Therefore, in the Original Play (OP), if B2 has passed R1 before F8 caught the Fly Ball he would already had been out.

That said, whether B2 is out before or after he passes R1, NFHS Casebook Play 8.3.3 Situation I allows B2 to act in a manner that could induce the defense to make a play on a Retired Runner. The B/R knows he is out and he should get off the field in the most direct manner that will not interfere with anyother defensive play being made.

MTD, Sr.

This is more along the lines I was referring to in the first place, but then all the rocket surgeons/brain scientists started nit picking. I sort of read the OP to mean the batter was digging hard to 2B as if he was R1 trying to tag up, and go to 2B. From there the thread started steadily snowballing downhill.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

This is more along the lines I was referring to in the first place, but then all the rocket surgeons/brain scientists started nit picking. I sort of read the OP to mean the batter was digging hard to 2B as if he was R1 trying to tag up, and go to 2B. From there the thread started steadily snowballing downhill.

Actually, as in reality, all the real umpires started correcting you, and you get all sorts of pissed off when that happens, as we know. You are the one who posted a link to a lice ridding website. Real classy. Aside from your childish posts, this thread is doing quite nicely.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Actually, as in reality, all the real anally retentive umpires started correcting you, and you get all sorts of pissed off when that happens, as we know. You are the one who posted a link to a lice ridding website. Real classy. Aside from your childish posts, this thread is doing quite nicely.

Fixed that fer ya'.

[lawump]

Professional mechanics:

No signal and no verbal (a/k/a "spoken") statement given when the catch is a "can of corn". [It only takes giving a catch signal and saying "catch" once on a can-of-corn on the professional level to hear some player/coach/manager say "no ****" (or something similar) to you.]

It is okay to say, "Jim, got a catch". [Where "Jim" is your partner.]

Both umpires should be watching the ball. However, the umpire(s) who have responsibility for any runner(s) should glance at the runners. "Watch the ball, glance at the runner(s)!" I teach several clinics a year with a former instructor at one of the umpire schools and he has told me that that phrase is repeated every day for six weeks at school.