Molina ejection

[STL_UMP]

Originally Posted by zm1283

FWIW, there was a Foxtrax thing on the screen during the game. They had it up all night in the lower-right corner. It showed the pitch as a ball and it looked like a ball to the naked eye.

With that said, Molina went way overboard and I too think something else had gone on earlier in the game.

Molina (according to the paper) had said the plate umpire had stiffed the Cards on a couple of calls.

Molina said, "The call, obviously the call, that was a bad call," Molina said. "He missed three pitches for us, and then he gave the pitches for them. That's not fair. ...

Here's the full article...
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseb...a4bcf6878.html

[mbyron]

10 games, appeal, shortened to 5. Ya heard it here first.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by mbyron

10 games, appeal, shortened to 5. Ya heard it here first.

5 games, appeal, drops the appeal and takes the time during the last two CHC games and the three LAD games.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by STL_UMP

Molina (according to the paper) had said the plate umpire had stiffed the Cards on a couple of calls.

Molina said, "The call, obviously the call, that was a bad call," Molina said. "He missed three pitches for us, and then he gave the pitches for them. That's not fair. ...

Here's the full article...
Suspension possible for Molina

Must have been the glare from the ribbon boards that caused Drake to miss these pitches.

[Larry1953]

Drake had called Shumaker out at first the game before and Shu chirped about it in the post game. Then Drake rang him up on a high strike. Maybe Molina had that on his mind as well.

[jicecone]

That may have been a REALLY, REALLY bad camera angle but, I didn't see the catchers mit move AT ALL. Nada, none, strike three, sit your arse down.

[JugglingReferee]

So I see that the PU had to "take" the bodily pushes from this loonie-bin.

At what point would an umpire be permitted to defend himself with force?

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

At what point would an umpire be permitted to defend himself with force?

Probably around the point he doesn't want his job anymore.

[JRutledge]

Those little boxes are not accurate. So who cares what that shows? All I know is that pitch looked awful close and the catcher did not move his glove. Swing at the damn pitch and you will not have to worry about what the umpire calls. Just a thought.

Peace

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

So I see that the PU had to "take" the bodily pushes from this loonie-bin.

At what point would an umpire be permitted to defend himself with force?

From an article on Yahoo (emphasis mine):

MLB thinks Drake handled it well. He did make a bad call on the strikeout, according to PITCHf/x data. That happens. His willingness not to get confrontational once Molina backed him off with a shower impressed baseball officials. The report delivered by Drake said he was bumped four times and spit on twice.

“As an umpire, he’s required to help defuse the situation,” said Brian Lam, the attorney for the umpires’ union, the World Umpires Association. “As professionals, we’re all required to do things we wouldn’t as people. As a person, Rob Drake would’ve probably punched the guy.”

Had Drake done that, he would’ve been fired. If an umpire so much as bumps back against a player or manager haranguing him, he faces disciplinary sanctions from MLB. While it’s true umpires are meant to stay above the fray, it’s emasculating for anyone to stand there and take abuse that goes beyond verbal.

[David B]

Originally Posted by jicecone

That may have been a REALLY, REALLY bad camera angle but, I didn't see the catchers mit move AT ALL. Nada, none, strike three, sit your arse down.

I agree, swing the bat. Maybe its a little in, but catcher doesn't move his mitt at all, its a strike.

Sadly, the players can act like idiots and get nothing but a slap on the hand, its getting worse and worse in baseball.

Gonna take someone getting punched before they change it though.

Thanks
David

[STL_UMP]

Catcher doesn't move his mitt so it's a strike? That's how you call it?

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by STL_UMP

Catcher doesn't move his mitt so it's a strike? That's how you call it?

Kinda what I was thinking here.
I was taught that I call strikes, not catchers, batters, coaches, scorekeepers, grandmas, etc

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by STL_UMP

Catcher doesn't move his mitt so it's a strike? That's how you call it?

Beisides you, who said that because the catcher didn't move his glove that it was a strike?

Do you umpire TBall only or do you do Rec games too?

Better yet with two strikes, generally the batter is taking anything close, correct?

I agree, catchers don't always set up a target in the strikezone but, unless you have some video to prove otherwise (and not some freaking media appeasing rectangle on your TV screen, with a manually inputed dot) then that pitch was close. Not only was the pitch right to the mit, it was dead center of the catchers body. So if the catcher was set up way inside then, we probably wouldn't have seen him because he would be hidden behind the batter from that camera angle. If he was set dead center on the inside edge then Molina either got fooled and decided to take out on Drake or he is just sucks.

Using your logic above, we can assume you may be a little bias here?