Rules Question

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

You mean yes. As in "Yes, that would not be an illegal appeal, making the runner automatically safe."

Maybe. Or Maybe Not.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by dketter

Wonder if anyone has any thoughts on the situation, if you need further information please let me know

I agree with what the umpire did.

[bigda65]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I agree with what the umpire did.

I agree with bob here.

By your own admission, both teams believed there to be three outs.
Lets turn the tables a little. Lets say he touched home on the way to the dugout. Should the run now count? by rule yes. by common sense, put the runner back on third and have a "do over". It is not the technical rulebook solution, but I believe it is the right solution. Its fourth graders for crying out loud.

I am bothered by the statement that the call cost you the game or chance to tie. I assume none of your batters struck out, no fielding errors, no throwing errors, and heaven forbid any coaching errors.

Use this as a teaching tool, to always be aware of the game situation, which includes the coaches (they believed three outs too). MOVE ON

[celebur]

Originally Posted by bigda65

I assume none of your batters struck out, no fielding errors, no throwing errors, and heaven forbid any coaching errors.

In the OP, there clearly was a coaching error here.

[dketter]

I appreciate your input.. It would not have been so bad if

1. we were not called for it in the game previous
2. we were not 2 games away from a perfect season for the 2nd year in a row.

I don't think I will appeal the call, I too believe after sleeping on it to just chalk it up to a learning experience. I am going to report to the league the discrepancy in the way the umpires have called the two incidents. This is my 4th year coaching these boys and they are amazing. They have never been beat in regular season play in 4 years only 1 tie two years before and they were all pretty devastated last night. Although it was a good lesson for them to know they can't win them all, it was sad that a questionable call really made the difference in the game.

and no they don't have to use wooden bats and there are a few pitching restrictions but my point was that it is regular baseball when I said MBL rules

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by dketter

it was sad that a questionable call really made the difference in the game.

Two things here... one - you'll find that this statement or sentiment really rubs people here the wrong way. I'd refrain going forward or you will deflect conversation from your topic onto ...

Two - It's sad ... and evidence of bad coaching in my opinion ... that in a game where a team allows X number of runs, commits Y errors, gets out Z times, etc --- that the ONE thing that went wrong that can possibly be blamed on someone other than a player is assumed to be the reason for the loss. If you let your team believe that the call caused the loss, you've missed an opportunity to teach a valuable lesson. Just because a particular call came late in a game when the situation was tight doesn't mean all of the other situations in the game where something didn't go perfectly that WERE the fault of the players didn't have a MUCH bigger impact on the result of the game.

[johnnyg08]

See if a 10 year old on either team can spell abandonment and then put the kid back on third base and play baseball. No, the UIC doesn't need to know about this...they're kids and they're 10 for crying out loud. This is what's wrong with America today. You'd think the parents were playing? :-)

[Larry1953]

If the third baseman remained on the field because he knew there were only two outs and he was heads up enough as a 10 year old to realize how he could get the runner out, then it seems he was the person most adversely affected by the ruling. Gee, kid, that was heads up and all and pretty impressive that you were the only one on the field who knew what was going on and showed a good knowledge of the rules, but we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings and all. I remember playing Little League when I was 10. I remember keeping track of my batting average and spent hours fielding a tennis ball rebounding from a brick wall. I remember reading the rulebook cover to cover then too. Don't assume that every 10 year old is just in it for the snow-cone.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by dketter

that call cost us at least a tie to an otherwise undefeated season.

Gosh how did the parents sleep that night? I promise you, the 10 yr olds didn't care.