batting out of order 2

[WilliamK]

Hi,
This did'nt happen in my game but another umpire told me it happened in his game. OBR rules
Batters 1 and 3 get reversed
1) B1 gets on base
2) B2 gets on base
3) B3 comes to plate no pitch thrown yet
then scorekeeper raises the question that B1 and B3 are switched

How would you get this cleaned up?
or
Since B2 made B1 legal,does the order stay as is?

I tried to find a scenario in the BOO section of the rule book but I can't really find anything to cover this BOO.

WilliamK

[JaxRolo]

Originally Posted by WilliamK

Hi,
This did'nt happen in my game but another umpire told me it happened in his game. OBR rules
Batters 1 and 3 get reversed
1) B1 gets on base
2) B2 gets on base
3) B3 comes to plate no pitch thrown yet
then scorekeeper raises the question that B1 and B3 are switched

How would you get this cleaned up?
or
Since B2 made B1 legal,does the order stay as is?

I tried to find a scenario in the BOO section of the rule book but I can't really find anything to cover this BOO.

WilliamK

Seems to me that B2 is now Out of Turn since B1 who is #3 on the line up is now legal.
B4 should be out on appeal since he should have been the proper batter.

[kylejt]

What you do is tell the scorekeeper to shut up, and let the game continue.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by WilliamK

Hi,
This did'nt happen in my game but another umpire told me it happened in his game. OBR rules
Batters 1 and 3 get reversed
1) B1 gets on base
2) B2 gets on base
3) B3 comes to plate no pitch thrown yet
then scorekeeper raises the question that B1 and B3 are switched

How would you get this cleaned up?
or
Since B2 made B1 legal,does the order stay as is?

I tried to find a scenario in the BOO section of the rule book but I can't really find anything to cover this BOO.

WilliamK

The nomenclature here is messy. Assuming you meant the following... Proper lineup is Abel, Baker, Charlie, Daffy, Ed...

Charlie bats (when Abel should have) and gets on base.
Baker bats and gets on base. Once a pitch was thrown to Baker, Charlie is legal... making the proper batter right now Daffy.
Abel comes to the plate - an appeal on BOO right now would have Daffy out for not batting, and Ed up to bat next.

Although the actual correct answer here was supplied by kyle. Unless this is appealed BY A COACH, play on. Scorekeepers are fans and bystanders. If Abel is pitched to, Baker becomes legal and assuming Charlie is still on base, Daffy is brought to the plate.

[umpjong]

Kyle is correct to shut the scorekeeper up, but if coach appeals...

pg. 56 rule 6.07 at the bottom of approved ruling..


RULING: When the proper batter is on base, he is passed over, and the following batter becomes the proper batter

So B4 hits, (the real B1 doesnt hit, nor is he out) and next time around the order would go back to whats on line up card.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by umpjong

Kyle is correct to shut the scorekeeper up, but if coach appeals...

pg. 56 rule 6.07 at the bottom of approved ruling..


RULING: When the proper batter is on base, he is passed over, and the following batter becomes the proper batter

So B4 hits, (the real B1 doesnt hit, nor is he out) and next time around the order would go back to whats on line up card.

Incorrect for the OP. B4 is out for not batting after B3, B5 is up.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Incorrect for the OP. B4 is out for not batting after B3, B5 is up.

Agree, but you forgot to take a runner off the bases. Let's stick with Able, Baker, etc.

Charlie bats first and reaches base.

Baker bats next, and the first pitch to him makes Charlie's at-bat proper. Baker reaches base.

The OP says that Able comes up next and the scorekeeper announces BOO before a pitch to him. (I agree with the consensus to shut up the scorekeeper.)

If a coach appeals at this point, he's right on time. The proper second batter was not Baker but Danny. So:

1. Danny, the proper batter for the spot where Baker batted, is out.
2. Remove Baker from base, but he's not out.
3. If Charlie's advance was due to Baker's at bat (not from a wild pitch, steal, etc.), he returns to 1B.
4. Since Danny made the last out, the next batter is Eddy.

[umpjong]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Agree, but you forgot to take a runner off the bases. Let's stick with Able, Baker, etc.

Charlie bats first and reaches base.

Baker bats next, and the first pitch to him makes Charlie's at-bat proper. Baker reaches base.

The OP says that Able comes up next and the scorekeeper announces BOO before a pitch to him. (I agree with the consensus to shut up the scorekeeper.)

If a coach appeals at this point, he's right on time. The proper second batter was not Baker but Danny. So:

1. Danny, the proper batter for the spot where Baker batted, is out.
2. Remove Baker from base, but he's not out.
3. If Charlie's advance was due to Baker's at bat (not from a wild pitch, steal, etc.), he returns to 1B.
4. Since Danny made the last out, the next batter is Eddy.

This correct, my reply is only correct if there is a pitch to the third batter in OP, there was not so this, above, is correct...

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by umpjong

This correct, my reply is only correct if there is a pitch to the third batter in OP, there was not so this, above, is correct...

If they throw a pitch to Able, then Baker's at bat is made proper and the next batter should be Charlie. But since Charlie is on base, the proper batter would be Danny.

If Able is at the plate, he gets to sit, and Danny comes to the plate and inherits Able's count (1-0 or 0-1 after one pitch). Nobody's out in this situation, and no runners are removed; the coach was 1 pitch too late to appeal BOO.

I think that's what you said.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

The nomenclature here is messy. Assuming you meant the following... Proper lineup is Abel, Baker, Charlie, Daffy, Ed...

Charlie bats (when Abel should have) and gets on base.
Baker bats and gets on base. Once a pitch was thrown to Baker, Charlie is legal... making the proper batter right now Daffy.
Abel comes to the plate - an appeal on BOO right now would have Daffy out for not batting, and Ed up to bat next.

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No. If the appeal is while Abel is at the plate you just replace him with Daffy who assumes the count.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

No. If the appeal is while Abel is at the plate you just replace him with Daffy who assumes the count.

Not before Abel has taken a pitch, which is what I was referring to (as was the OP).

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Not before Abel has taken a pitch, which is what I was referring to (as was the OP).

I guess I don't grasp your point. Daffy has become the proper batter. Therefore as long as he's put up to bat at any time before Abel or Charlie (or Smith for that matter) completes the current slot's AB things are Kosher. mbyron made the same point.

[ManInBlue]

Rich,

I think the issue is that Baker was now BOO because Charlie is now legal. An appeal prior to a pitch to Abel would have Danny called out (b/c of Baker's BOO) and Ed up to bat - Baker removed from the bases, Charlie returned to his previous base. Abel doesn't come into the play (until a pitch is delivered to him).

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by ManInBlue

Rich,

I think the issue is that Baker was now BOO because Charlie is now legal. An appeal prior to a pitch to Abel would have Danny called out (b/c of Baker's BOO) and Ed up to bat - Baker removed from the bases, Charlie returned to his previous base. Abel doesn't come into the play (until a pitch is delivered to him).

Got what you meant now.

The Order was A, B, C, D, E, F

They batted C, B and both got on base. But as the pitch to B legitimized C, D was the real proper batter due up, not B.

If you appeal immediately, D (the proper batter) is out, B is removed from the bases, C returns, E should be up.

If A goes to the plate and a pitch is delivered, then B is legitimized, C should be up but he's on base, so D is up. And because the at bat isn't completed you just send him up with the count A had before the appeal.

AND the real order is still A, B, C, D, E etc. and you have to follow it next time through.

[BSUmp16]

And in FED all outs stand (I get it!)