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Just Another Ref: I see a discussion of this play going in two parallel paths: (1) The BU did not see B/R poke F3 in the ribs and (2) BU did see B/R3 poke F3 in the ribs. Your discription also does not say if there were runners on base which would dictate where the BU was at the start of the play and where he would go in order to cover the play at 1B. Be that as it may, I would consider a forearm shiver in baseball to be malicious contact and the penalty for malicious contact is ejection. Baseball is different from basketball and if I had seen the B/R poke F3 in the ribs, I would have ejected him, a punch is a punch is a punch, and that is malicious contact. I do not think that B/R's poke to F3's ribs can not be ruled anything other than malicious contact, especially if it caused F3 to retaliate in a manner that is easily defined as malicious contact. I do not have a problem with F3's ejection. I am concerned that the BU did not see B/R's poking F3's ribs; whether he saw it or not is a function of his position at the time of the play. Regarding the near riot in the stands, that is not the Umpires' concern, let game management take care of the riot. Regarding the fans standing by the fence harassing the BU, who cares. I am a big boy and if I am the BU I would be ignoring them. The only time the Umpires should be concerned about the fans along the fence is if they are making threats of physical violence against the Umpires or any participants (coaches and players) in the game. Basketball wise: A forearm shiver is always an intentional foul at the least in my opinion, and if it retaliation then you have, by defintion a fight. MTD, Sr.
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I don't understand what happened. BR was running through the base and had time to poke F3? F3 was catching a throw from F4 and had time to react to a poke in the ribs, turn, and bump BR? When did all of this occur?
Assuming nobody ended up on his butt, I think I'd probably call time and ask them both if they'd like to be around to play in the 7th inning. If somebody took a swing, or got knocked down, or I felt I otherwise couldn't ignore the contact, I'd penalize what I saw and only what I saw. I'm not going to make a show of it, and if I run somebody in that situation, anybody who was looking will know why. With R2 and R3, I expect that my partner saw nothing at 1B, but if he saw something that could factor into the call.
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+1 and good response. This don't sound like much to me.
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