Two simple questions.

[dash_riprock]

Rules like that annoy me to no end, and it seems they always come from FED. Sometimes I wonder if they (whomever "they" may be) are doing it just to be different, because some of these rules have no discernible raison d'être.

Can someone tell my why:

1. From the set, F1 must come to a complete stop with no runners.

2. The prohibition on turning the shoulders to check a runner begins when F1 brings his hands together rather than when he has come to a stop.

3. A balk is an immediate dead ball.

4. F1 cannot step and throw to a base from the windup position.

Ive had a few too many Czechvars and the gorilla arm set me off. I hope I don't regret this post in the morning.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Rules like that annoy me to no end, and it seems they always come from FED. Sometimes I wonder if they (whomever "they" may be) are doing it just to be different, because some of these rules have no discernible raison d'être.

Can someone tell my why:

1. From the set, F1 must come to a complete stop with no runners.

2. The prohibition on turning the shoulders to check a runner begins when F1 brings his hands together rather than when he has come to a stop.

3. A balk is an immediate dead ball.

4. F1 cannot step and throw to a base from the windup position.

Ive had a few too many Czechvars and the gorilla arm set me off. I hope I don't regret this post in the morning.

For #1, I don't think that has ever been true.

What the hell is a Czechvar?

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

What the hell is a Czechvar?

It's the original Budweiser, not to be confused with the Anheuser Busch Budweiser which, IMO, more closely resembles Nik-L-Nip than lager.

[bluehair]

Nik-L-Nip ??

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by bluehair

Nik-L-Nip ??

Colored sugar water in little wax bottles. You would have to be about 45+ to remember them. You bit off the neck, drank the sweet water then chewed the wax. A treat fer sure.

[mbyron]

[dash_riprock]

That's them, though the packaging might be 21st century. Thanks for that MB.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I haven't seen these in 40 years! Can you still get them?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Rules like that annoy me to no end, and it seems they always come from FED. Sometimes I wonder if they (whomever "they" may be) are doing it just to be different, because some of these rules have no discernible raison d'être.

Can someone tell my why:

1. From the set, F1 must come to a complete stop with no runners.

2. The prohibition on turning the shoulders to check a runner begins when F1 brings his hands together rather than when he has come to a stop.

3. A balk is an immediate dead ball.

4. F1 cannot step and throw to a base from the windup position.

Ive had a few too many Czechvars and the gorilla arm set me off. I hope I don't regret this post in the morning.

(Note that I'm NOT saying that I agree with these decisions, just explaining what I think is FED's rationale.)

1) There shouldn't be any difference between what's legal and not depending on whether runners are on base.

2) No idea, but I don't think it makes a practical difference.

3) To reduce umpire and coach / player confusion

4) To stop coaches from pretending to windup and then picking off a runner. Too many umpires wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the start of a pitch and the motion to throw to a base.

(Many of the differences are an attempt to develop the rules for the lowest-common-denominator of umpire and coach.)

And, for Mr. Tyler -- czechvar is a beer.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

And, for Mr. Tyler -- czechvar is a beer.

Not just for him!

Czechvar - World Beer

[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

(Note that I'm NOT saying that I agree with these decisions, just explaining what I think is FED's rationale.)

1) There shouldn't be any difference between what's legal and not depending on whether runners are on base.

2) No idea, but I don't think it makes a practical difference.

3) To reduce umpire and coach / player confusion

4) To stop coaches from pretending to windup and then picking off a runner. Too many umpires wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the start of a pitch and the motion to throw to a base.

(Many of the differences are an attempt to develop the rules for the lowest-common-denominator of umpire and coach.)

And, for Mr. Tyler -- czechvar is a beer.

I have to disagree with #4. Start of a pitch would be stepping back with the free foot. Stepping back with the pivot foot and then going through the wind up gets you a balk, as would starting the wind up then throwing to a base. That's either a motion that resembles the start of a pitch or it is the motion starting the pitch. The situation in quesiton would simply be a step toward a base with the free foot. The balk would prevent them from pretending to start a pitch and then throwing to a base.

What's there that would confuse an umpire? If a pitcher is in the windup position and steps off with his free foot we don't get confused. Same thing in my book.

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Can someone tell my why:

1. From the set, F1 must come to a complete stop with no runners.

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Since when does F1 has to come set with no runners on? Is this only a fed rule, cause NCAA and OBR F1 doesn't have to.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Umpmazza

Since when does F1 has to come set with no runners on? Is this only a fed rule, cause NCAA and OBR F1 doesn't have to.

Yes, it's a FED rule.

And, it's only an interp (relatively recent) that allows it in NCAA and OBR.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, it's a FED rule.

And, it's only an interp (relatively recent) that allows it in NCAA and OBR.

And it's not a mystery interp, it's right there in both rule books.

OBR: Rule 8.01(b) Comment: With no runners on base, the pitcher is not required to come to a complete stop when using the Set Position.

NCAA 9-b-2: A.R.—With the bases unoccupied, the pitcher does not need to come to a complete and discernable stop.