4th Out Appeal

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by pastordoug

I also, will it might be a valid request as suggested by Rich, would still have the coach give his order of appeal because the outcome of the appeal isn't based on what the HC beleives but on what the PU or BU has seen. This could also result in runs counting or not counting.

It appears we all (W'all?) may be wrong:
8.2.2h: Following an inside-the-park home run, the defense appeals that both runners on base and the batter missed third base as they advanced to home.
RULING: This is a legal appeal. The umpire will rule depending on his judgment of the play.

So, multiple appeals can be made at the same time.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by yawetag

It appears we all (W'all?) may be wrong:
8.2.2h: Following an inside-the-park home run, the defense appeals that both runners on base and the batter missed third base as they advanced to home.
RULING: This is a legal appeal. The umpire will rule depending on his judgment of the play.

So, multiple appeals can be made at the same time.

No one said that they can't be...it's in the how.

[biggravy]

After reading this year's clarification to 9-1-1d I'm wondering if that run scores even if the coach does not appeal R3.

"When a third out is declared during a play resulting from a legal defensive appeal, which results in a force out (this out takes precedence if enforcement of it would negate a score)...

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by biggravy

After reading this year's clarification to 9-1-1d I'm wondering if that run scores even if the coach does not appeal R3.

"When a third out is declared during a play resulting from a legal defensive appeal, which results in a force out (this out takes precedence if enforcement of it would negate a score)...

There wasn't any force out in the play at hand.

[biggravy]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

There wasn't any force out in the play at hand.

Help me out then how and when would that rule come into play?

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by biggravy

Help me out then how and when would that rule come into play?

biggravy,

It can only come into play on a missed base appeal when the runner was forced to the base he missed.

A failure to retouch appeal can never be a force out because the BR has been put out on the catch, thereby removing any forces.

JM

[biggravy]

Sorry, I can be incredibly slow sometimes. I'm still wondering if it's incorrect to score this run under FED.

9-1-1 Exception C says "A run is not scored if the runner advances to home plate during action in which the third out is made as follows: C. by a preceding runner who is declared out upon appeal because he failed to touch one of the bases or left a base too soon on a caught fly ball."