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Old Thu Mar 18, 2010, 01:13pm
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Rich from the OP



The coach is asking the BU "why didn't the runners tag"

IMO, that is NOT an appeal that is a question which quite frankly the BU cannot answer.

The runners most likely didn't tag up because they thought it was a NO catch.

The coach was asking a question NOT demonstrating an unmistakable appeal. If he wants to appeal, then do so.

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Post it all Pete - also from the OP:

"Coach says what about runners leaving earlier and I say we had no appeal... "

Maybe that could be an appeal? The whole thing's kinda murky as to what actually happpened.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 12:44am
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Post it all Pete - also from the OP:

"Coach says what about runners leaving earlier and I say we had no appeal... "

Maybe that could be an appeal? The whole thing's kinda murky as to what actually happpened.
If a coach says "What about the runners leaving earlier?" to me, my response would be "What about them?" While I agree CI states to give the coach the options, I don't recall reading that wording anywhere else in the rules. It's not my job to tell a coach how to appeal. However, if he says he wants to appeal, I'll get the info I need to rule on the appeal:

Coach: "What abut the runners leaving earlier?"
Me: "What about them?"
C: "They left the base too early."
M: "Which runner?"
C: "The one at first base."
M: "So, you're appealing the runner at first left the base early and didn't tag up?"
C: "Yes."
M: "Okay." (rules on the appeal)
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 08:57am
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Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that the coach knows the runners left early?

Is there any doubt that he has let the umpires know that he thinks the runners left early?

So why isn't that unmistakable?

Can a coach do a dead ball appeal in FED?

The WHY deny the "appeal"? Seems to me people are somehow requiring the coach to utter some magic phrase about it.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 09:35am
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Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that the coach knows the runners left early?

Is there any doubt that he has let the umpires know that he thinks the runners left early?

So why isn't that unmistakable?

Can a coach do a dead ball appeal in FED?

The WHY deny the "appeal"? Seems to me people are somehow requiring the coach to utter some magic phrase about it.
I agree that no "magic phrase" is required. Heck, if I see / hear a coach trying to get his team to appeal, I'll often just ask, "Coach, what are you trying to do?"

In the OP, however, it is NOT clear to me that the coach knew both runners left early.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 02:39pm
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I agree that no "magic phrase" is required. Heck, if I see / hear a coach trying to get his team to appeal, I'll often just ask, "Coach, what are you trying to do?"

In the OP, however, it is NOT clear to me that the coach knew both runners left early.
And to me that's the key: it's clear THAT he wants to appeal, but not clear WHICH runner he's appealing.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 10:25pm
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Bob and mbyron

1) I did say it was confusing

2) On the other hand, the OP did say the coach used runners (plural) both times.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 10:44pm
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Bob and mbyron

1) I did say it was confusing

2) On the other hand, the OP did say the coach used runners (plural) both times.
So he was appeaing two runners at the same time?
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Old Sun Mar 21, 2010, 06:15pm
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If a coach says "What about the runners leaving earlier?" to me, my response would be "What about them?" While I agree CI states to give the coach the options, I don't recall reading that wording anywhere else in the rules. It's not my job to tell a coach how to appeal. However, if he says he wants to appeal, I'll get the info I need to rule on the appeal:

Coach: "What abut the runners leaving earlier?"
Me: "What about them?"
C: "They left the base too early."
M: "Which runner?"
C: "The one at first base."
M: "So, you're appealing the runner at first left the base early and didn't tag up?"
C: "Yes."
M: "Okay." (rules on the appeal)
I suppose this is similar to how I'd handle it.

"What exactly are you asking me?"

"If you'd like to appeal, then please state your appeal to me."
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