Marty Foster's call at 3rd base today

[JFlores]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Sorry, when I coached I was in it to teach the kids the game of baseball, self discipline and repect for the game, their teammates, oppoents, coaches and officials.

I explained to them that playing ball was no different then life. You give your all and if that wasn't good enough or something didn't go your way, then you got to work harder next time.

I sat kids down for disrespecting other players, coaches and officials. If I had a question about a call that is exactly what it was. Can you explain to me the call please? Thanks. You can't want to win the game for the players more than them and you can't play it for them.

And that is EXACTLY what it is, A GAME.

So the next time you think that an umpire or any official shows up a a game you are coaching in, just to screw the kids , then try and lead by example, handle the situation without complaining. (America's favorite past time) You have an oppurtunity to show them how to be one step above the rest, so take it.

And that is how real coaches, "handle said situations" when leading kids.

The bolded part is false, I don't ever think an umpire shows up to screw a kid. I tell my players never to argue or disagree with the umpires, that it is my job.

An umpire can never cost us a game, I truly believe that and preach it, but I expect to be heard when I have a question on a play.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JFlores

The bolded part is false, I don't ever think an umpire shows up to screw a kid. I tell my players never to argue or disagree with the umpires, that it is my job.

An umpire can never cost us a game, I truly believe that and preach it, but I expect to be heard when I have a question on a play.

Let's put it this way then: You did say that the umpire's bad call screwed the kids. This is false. The call cost one of many opportunities you had to win the game. The umpire didn't have anything to do with the 5 errors made and/or the 4 HRs your team gave up that really led to your team losing. The kids wouldn't care so much if you didn't make a big deal out of it by losing your cool with the umpire. They don't see it as getting screwed by the umpire without you planting that idea in their heads.

[NFump]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Let's put it this way then: You did say that the umpire's bad call screwed the kids. This is false. The call cost one of many opportunities you had to win the game. The umpire didn't have anything to do with the 5 errors made and/or the 4 HRs your team gave up that really led to your team losing. The kids wouldn't care so much if you didn't make a big deal out of it by losing your cool with the umpire. They don't see it as getting screwed by the umpire without you planting that idea in their heads.

Yep, yep.

[zombywoof]

If the umpire saw an attempted tag and the ball got there first and the fielder even missed the tag after seeing it in on replay, then I don't see a problem with the ump's call and can easily back up his claim he called the play as he saw it, but if the umpire, as in this case, flat out admits he had the runner out because the ball got there first and saw no reason in his mind to even make sure the fielder attempts to apply the tag says this umpire had zero chance in getting the call right because he has his own rules.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by zombywoof

If the umpire saw an attempted tag and the ball got there first and the fielder even missed the tag after seeing it in on replay, then I don't see a problem with the ump's call and can easily back up his claim he called the play as he saw it, but if the umpire, as in this case, flat out admits he had the runner out because the ball got there first and saw no reason in his mind to even make sure the fielder attempts to apply the tag says this umpire had zero chance in getting the call right because he has his own rules.

Again, spoken like a true fan of the game. But not spoken like an umpire. This is an umpire forum. Full of umpires. Plus a respected coach or two.

Yes, Marty Foster shouldn't have let the cat out of the bag that we call these plays outs because that's the way Jeter and all the managers in the world want them called. Only when it didn't favor Jeter did he have a problem with the call/explanation. He shouldn't have even opened his big yap in the first place, and none of this BS would have happened.

Derek Jeter has benefitted from the same call hundreds of times in his career, but this time, since he knew he screwed up by trying to steal 3rd with 2 outs and got caught, wanted to deflect the blame from himself and direct it onto Foster. Really classy guy. He and Ascrod are a pair to draw to, I tell ya.

[zombywoof]

Sure Jeter screwed up and he deserved to be out, especially since he had no business taking that base unless he can make it, but the fielder has to finish the play and the umpire should've looked for the tag. From his argument, a tag never has to be made because the ball got there first. There's no defending this umpire. He screwed up big time.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by zombywoof

Sure Jeter screwed up and he deserved to be out, especially since he had no business taking that base unless he can make it, but the fielder has to finish the play and the umpire should've looked for the tag. From his argument, a tag never has to be made because the ball got there first. There's no defending this umpire. He screwed up big time.

The only thing he screwed up was telling Jeter what he told him. The call was right. It's not that the ball was there first. That's not the criteria. It's that the ball was so far ahead of the runner, and the tag was down in front of the base long before Jeter arrived. That's why he's out. The fielder has the right (and I feel, responsibility) to get his hand out of there to avoid any injury to himself or the runner.

I don't give a rat's a$$ what Hirschbeck said to the media. He had to say that because Foster told the secret. John was trying to get the genie back in the bottle by saying that they no longer call it like that. Bullsquat! They always have, and always will, give the fielder the benefit of the doubt when the ball beats the runner by an obviously large margin.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by zombywoof

Sure Jeter screwed up and he deserved to be out, especially since he had no business taking that base unless he can make it, but the fielder has to finish the play and the umpire should've looked for the tag. From his argument, a tag never has to be made because the ball got there first. There's no defending this umpire. He screwed up big time.

It's one thing not to get it, but when you don't get, that you don't get it.

Good Bye

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

The kids wouldn't care so much if you didn't make a big deal out of it by losing your cool with the umpire. They don't see it as getting screwed by the umpire without you planting that idea in their heads.

Steve you are on point. I'm sure that we can all attest that the players who are the worst discipline problems typically come from teams where coaches behave poorly as well. It's all about winning, losing, right, and wrong. It's not about instilling values of hard work, perseverance through adversity, class, and respect.

Coaches who take the responsibility of "standing up to the umpire" so their players don't have to are really just showing players that such behavior is acceptable. Kids follow your example eventually.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Steve you are on point. I'm sure that we can all attest that the players who are the worst discipline problems typically come from teams where coaches behave poorly as well. It's all about winning, losing, right, and wrong. It's not about instilling values of hard work, perseverance through adversity, class, and respect.

Coaches who take the responsibility of "standing up to the umpire" so their players don't have to are really just showing players that such behavior is acceptable. Kids follow your example eventually.

Can I get an AMEN?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JFlores

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So next time I will just sit in the dugout and let the men in blue stick it to my team up the a$$....

Originally Posted by jicecone

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So the next time you think that an umpire or any official shows up a a game you are coaching in, just to screw the kids , then try and lead by example, handle the situation without complaining. (America's favorite past time) You have an oppurtunity to show them how to be one step above the rest, so take it.

And that is how real coaches, "handle said situations" when leading kids.

Originally Posted by JFlores

The bolded part is false, I don't ever think an umpire shows up to screw a kid...

I think the bolded terms mean the same thing.