Marty Foster's call at 3rd base today

[SanDiegoSteve]

Marty Foster called Derek Jeter out at 3rd base on a steal attempt. F5 had the ball waiting at the base for him. F5 did not apply a tag. Jeter cried like the little biatch he is, and blasted the umpire in the media. Gammons, the professional TOOL, and John Kruk, ex-rat, agreed with Jeter. Winfield told it like it is, that if the ball is waiting there, you're out whether tagged or not.

Question: How does everyone call this play in your games?

I make the "expected call when the ball beats the runner by a significant amount, and the tag is waiting at the bag. You can make all the pretty slides you want, but you are out. Now, if it's really close, and you make a pretty slide and avoid a swipe tag, that's different. You have made an athletic move, and beaten the fielder, and are therefore safe. What are your thoughts on this?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

What are your thoughts on this?

I think the other thread got posted just ahead of yours.

"the throw beat him"

[SanDiegoSteve]

Yeah, but only I asked a relevant question, so my thread stays.

[Ump153]

The whiny little sh!t was out. Most players would have trotted back to the dugout.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Ump153

The whiny little sh!t was out.

Only because it was mis-called.

[njdevs00cup]

Honestly, as a Red Sox fan, I cannot say a bad word about Derek Jeter. He is a class act.

On a different note, maybe Gammons and Kruk should replay the collision catch in the Tigers/Royals game. Check out the second base umpire in a full sprint to get a good view of the catch. The fact that he was even in the picture shows great hustle. Of course later on in the highlight package Kruk replays and slow-mo's a missed call at second base and proceeds to pick the umpire apart.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Only because it was mis-called.

No, it was the right call.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Marty Foster called Derek Jeter out at 3rd base on a steal attempt. F5 had the ball waiting at the base for him. F5 did not apply a tag. Jeter cried like the little biatch he is, and blasted the umpire in the media. Gammons, the professional TOOL, and John Kruk, ex-rat, agreed with Jeter. Winfield told it like it is, that if the ball is waiting there, you're out whether tagged or not.

Question: How does everyone call this play in your games?

I make the "expected call when the ball beats the runner by a significant amount, and the tag is waiting at the bag. You can make all the pretty slides you want, but you're are out. Now, if it's really close, and you make a pretty slide and avoid a swipe tag, that's different. You have made an athletic move, and beaten the fielder, and are therefore safe. What are your thoughts on this?

What's so hard about calling as it should be rather than what is "expected"?

The only thing that changes on the field is which team complains.

Off the field the replay guys will praise you for getting it right instead of replaying the "wrong" call over and over and over and over and over and telling everyone how you blew it.


Seems like a tie for on the field and a win for off the field. How can you go wrong?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

What's so hard about calling as it should be rather than what is "expected"?

Despite your claim, what is expected is what it should be.

I make this call the same way as what happened tonight. If I don't, I get trouble on-field and off.

[Fan10]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Jeter cried like the little biatch he is

Originally Posted by John Hirschbeck

"In my 27 years in the big leagues, he's probably the classiest person I've been around," Hirschbeck said.
Link: Jeter has issue with ump's reasoning | yankees.com: News

I wonder which assessment of Jeter's character is the more accurate.

[DG]

Umpires don't get the benefit of super slowmo replay. When the ball and the glove are by the bag and the runner is not there yet it is very difficult for me not to call an out. I expect there were 40,000 or so present who saw an out.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by Fan10

I wonder which assessment of Jeter's character is the more accurate.

If Jeter laid this tag down and the runner was called safe, he would cried even louder. He's a rat.

[w_sohl]

I may have called him out I may have called him safe. If I would have called him out, after seeing the replay, I would have eaten my crow and admitted I blew the call. Jeter was safe, Hirsh missed it. Happens.

I just don't get this "expected call" and "neighborhood play" crap. Don't get me wrong, if that is what my boss wants, that is what I'll do, but if a guy is safe/out he is safe/out. I can explain to a coach that the runner got his hand in before the tag was applied. I can't tell him that the throw beat him so he is out and then expect a coach not to question every single call I make after that point. I know a coach is going to questions calls, but an explanation like that invites a questions every time and eventually a shat storm. If I tell him the throw beat him now he is going to expect an out on every throw that beats the runner, whether force or not even if it is obvious the runner is safe.

Why throw fuel on the fire of the perceived incompetences of our fraternity? Especially at the D1 and Pro levels with all the replays they have. This just adds more ammo to the morons that want everything called electronically and to take out the human element of the game.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

I just don't get this "expected call" and "neighborhood play" crap. Don't get me wrong, if that is what my boss wants, that is what I'll do, but if a guy is safe/out he is safe/out.

I was taught (by professional umpires) that if a fielder has a tag down waiting for the runner, and he does not drop the ball, that the runner is out when he slides in. The umpire bosses want it that way, the coaches want it that way. Except when it goes against their team, of course.

[ozzy6900]

Why didn't Marty just say "Derek, to me it looked like he tagged you so go sit down!". That would have ended the whole thing. Wrong call? Maybe, but there is no IR on safe/out calls - yet!