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Old Wed Jul 08, 2009, 02:26pm
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Touchy subject ehhh. Too sensitive I see, its about getting the call right in the end.

So next time I will just sit in the dugout and let the men in blue stick it to my team up the a$$. I never argued ball and strikes, but all I was asking for was an appeal.

I guess its one of those you have to be there moments. Or should I just play a mute and blind?
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Old Wed Jul 08, 2009, 02:30pm
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Touchy subject ehhh. Too sensitive I see, its about getting the call right in the end.

So next time I will just sit in the dugout and let the men in blue stick it to my team up the a$$. I never argued ball and strikes, but all I was asking for was an appeal.

I guess its one of those you have to be there moments. Or should I just play a mute and blind?
An appeal? Missed base, check swing or leaving early on a caught fly ball? Cause those are the only appeals umpires recognize.
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Old Wed Jul 08, 2009, 02:33pm
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An appeal? Missed base, check swing or leaving early on a caught fly ball? Cause those are the only appeals umpires recognize.
That is the one, where I blew my roof. Anyways it was one of those you had to be there to understand my view or grief. Sorry I wont vent anymore.
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Old Wed Jul 08, 2009, 03:13pm
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That is the one, where I blew my roof. Anyways it was one of those you had to be there to understand my view or grief. Sorry I wont vent anymore.
No, I can imagine. Don't think I'm completely unsympathetic. I just don't think you come off well when you say things like you did above.

I'm not sure I can be a coach. I watch umpires not even look at the touch of first base when observing other crews. If I was the coach, I would appeal every time I saw the BU not turn his head and probably get run when I asked how he knew when he didn't even look.
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Old Wed Jul 08, 2009, 03:42pm
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Before you go out to "argue" or "discuss", consider who you are going out to "argue" or "discuss" with. A very simple "You missed that one" should suffice in most cases - and not yelled from across the field. It doesn't sound like that umpire was very experienced, which indicates maybe the league isn't a high level league that hires very experienced officials. Players, coaches and umpires are all learning in this type of league. Sounds like your players are learning that it's OK to "blow your top" at umpires, and it sounds like that umpire is learning that you're a coach with a short fuse.
When you umpire, don't coach, and vice versa. If that means biting your tongue when you coach, that's the price you pay as an umpire who coaches.

We're delighted you coach so the kids can play. Be delighted we umpire so they can play as well, no matter how inexperienced we are and whether or not we measure up to your expectations.

Whew....touchy/feely...not where I usually come from....

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Old Fri Jul 10, 2009, 09:44am
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Before you go out to "argue" or "discuss", consider who you are going out to "argue" or "discuss" with. A very simple "You missed that one" should suffice in most cases - and not yelled from across the field. It doesn't sound like that umpire was very experienced, which indicates maybe the league isn't a high level league that hires very experienced officials. Players, coaches and umpires are all learning in this type of league. Sounds like your players are learning that it's OK to "blow your top" at umpires, and it sounds like that umpire is learning that you're a coach with a short fuse.
When you umpire, don't coach, and vice versa. If that means biting your tongue when you coach, that's the price you pay as an umpire who coaches.

We're delighted you coach so the kids can play. Be delighted we umpire so they can play as well, no matter how inexperienced we are and whether or not we measure up to your expectations.

Whew....touchy/feely...not where I usually come from....

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Old Fri Jul 10, 2009, 09:46am
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Interesting article

Has high-def changed umpiring?
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Old Wed Jul 08, 2009, 06:50pm
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That is the one, where I blew my roof.
When has a coach "blowing his roof" ever gotten him anything but ejected?
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Old Wed Jul 08, 2009, 07:11pm
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Touchy subject ehhh. Too sensitive I see, its about getting the call right in the end.

So next time I will just sit in the dugout and let the men in blue stick it to my team up the a$$. I never argued ball and strikes, but all I was asking for was an appeal.

I guess its one of those you have to be there moments. Or should I just play a mute and blind?
Well, first of all, you're originally from Brooklyn. So you're naturally going to be more argumentative and harder to reach with a point of view. But now that you're from Texas, I'm sure you'll mellow out in due time.
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