Obstruction ignored?

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by FTVMartin

Award is minimum of one base. Technically (maybe if the contact with F3 is really big and knocks the runner down to the point where it can't be ignored) you could force the runner from second to third in order to award the base to the B/R. I would be hesitant to do so but maybe in that situation I might.

Here is a good example (at least in my mind)(I am going to steal Bob's situation) where you would HAVE to force R2 to third:

R1. Batter hits a "sure double." He doesn't see R1 returning to second in the belief that R2 missed the base. B/R turns around to return to first and runs into F3 who was trailing B/R on a designed defensive play. The ball is thrown to F3 who tags out the fallen B/R. We have obstruction. Put B/R on second and advance R1 to third.

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

FED OBS, while similar to OBR Type B, has a one base award beyond what they've already achieved attached to it. Am I interpreting that correctly?

Yes (in FED! I cannot speak for OBS)!

-Josh

[johnnyg08]

Type B in OBR doesn't necessarily guarantee another base. That's the huge difference in FED...if you have OBS in FED, we have to use a bit more discretion in calling OBS because it's a mandatory award of another base even if the runner had no chance, desire to advance another base. Example R2 slightly rounds 2B and simply looks at F7 to see if he's got the ball. F6 impedes him...technically OBS...but is it right to give him 3B? I don't think so.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by Paul L

I don't understand. Example, please?

Bases loaded. F1 tries to pick off R2 at 2nd. Both F6 and F4 go to cover second base. While R2 is going back to 2nd, he is obstructed by F6. F4 applies the tag.

Obstruction on F6. R2 awarded third. R3 forced home.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bossman72

Bases loaded. F1 tries to pick off R2 at 2nd. Both F6 and F4 go to cover second base. While R2 is going back to 2nd, he is obstructed by F6. F4 applies the tag.

Obstruction on F6. R2 awarded third. R3 forced home.

Just to be clear: this would happen ONLY for FED. In OBR (and codes based on it), R2 would be awarded 2B, the base to which he was returning.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Just to be clear: this would happen ONLY for FED. In OBR (and codes based on it), R2 would be awarded 2B, the base to which he was returning.

based upon this post you have Type B correct? Type A OBR OBS would give R2 a base award correct?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Just to be clear: this would happen ONLY for FED. In OBR (and codes based on it), R2 would be awarded 2B, the base to which he was returning.

Reading bossman's play description, I think this would be Type A obstruction in OBR. Do you disagree?

[UmpJM]

Welpe,

Per bossman's description, this is definitely "Type A" Obstruction under OBR rules; it's an immediate dead ball and the R2 would be awarded 3B and the R3 would be awarded home because he was "forced" by R2's award.

JM

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Just to be clear: this would happen ONLY for FED. In OBR (and codes based on it), R2 would be awarded 2B, the base to which he was returning.

WHAT? Have you suddenly become a coach, or a mom?

A play is being made on the obstructed runner. Type A, eh?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Just to be clear: this would happen ONLY for FED. In OBR (and codes based on it), R2 would be awarded 2B, the base to which he was returning.

Dude, this is Type A. R2 gets 3B here. Pay attention.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

FED OBS, while similar to OBR Type B, has a one base award beyond what they've already achieved attached to it. Am I interpreting that correctly?

FED obstruction is Type B in OBR. The difference in FED is that when you call obstruction in FED, you will award at least 1 base in the forward direction (the part I hate). Example: R1 dives back to 1st on a pickoff and is obstructed by F3. In FED, R1 must go to 2nd base - there is no choice or question (now you know why I said I hate this).

[johnnyg08]

it's not exactly type B OBR as you're stating. you nicely described the difference. I think we agree.

[johnnyg08]

However, wouldn't the scenario you're describing above be Type A, since a play is being made on R1 diving back to the base?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Just to be clear: this would happen ONLY for FED. In OBR (and codes based on it), R2 would be awarded 2B, the base to which he was returning.

Originally Posted by mbyron

Dude, this is Type A. R2 gets 3B here. Pay attention.

Now that's being your own worst critic! I like it, and I like it a lot.

[UmpJM]

Steve,

I thought he was bein' a little hard on the guy.

JM

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

However, wouldn't the scenario you're describing above be Type A, since a play is being made on R1 diving back to the base?

In OBR, yes. But in FED, there is no Type A. All obstruction in FED is delayed as in OBR Type B.