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We can't make it anymore simple. In baseball simply holding the bat over the plate does not indicate an attempt. There has to be clear movement of the bat to attempt to hit the ball for it to be called a strike. Location of the pitch can make it a strike -- simply holding the bat cannot. Don't make up rules. |
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I am trying to counter (what I perceive to be) the idea that holding the bat in the zone, and not moving, is a ball (when the pitch is out of the strike zone). Possible play: If the player holds the bat in the zone (anywhere, the middle or the edges), and the does not move the bat after the initial placement, and the pitch comes close to, and in such a way that the it appears the player need not move the bat to make the bunt. I feel that a strike should be called, as in my judgment an attempt has been made. I don't feel that I am making up rules, but only seeing an interpretation that does apply to some instances, but not all. |
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"Possible play: If the player holds the bat in the zone (anywhere, the middle or the edges), and the does not move the bat after the initial placement, and the pitch comes close to, and in such a way that the it appears the player need not move the bat to make the bunt."
You are joking right. Is this like from the King James version of interpretations? Ok, you didn't make up a rule but you have really butchered an interpretation. |
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IIt does not apply to a pitch which is out of the strike zone. There is no instance that will make it true, so you are making up rules.
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OBR Section 2 A STRIKE is a legal pitch when so called by the umpire, which—There, now did you see your statement anywhere in the rules listed? I didn't think so and that means you are making up rules! That is unless you are officiating fast pitch softball, then you are absolutely correct as of 2008. You are correct in saying that we determine what an offer is but you must have an offer to determine one. Holding the bat motionless in the zone does not constitute an offer in baseball under any circumstances. Also, the learned umpires that were trying to guide you have over 150 years experience combined. One of them has over 4000 games logged officiating all three of the rule sets you see above including MiLB. It would behoove you to listen to these people.
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Reply 3 of 2 (Forgot something)
I am listening to these people, that is the reason that I joined to open my mind to the knowledge elsewhere in this game. I also trying to (as I said previously ) to look at things from another perspective. This is something that I have been doing with other umpires on a face-to-face basis for years. Someone throws out a "I had this happen..." and we discuss. Typically it leads us to some interesting and outrageous "If this happened..." I am sorry if my tactics (for lack of a better word) were misconstrued as being stubborn.
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GF, you don't know all the people who have answered your question so far, so perhaps you're having trouble gauging their credibility. All I'll say about that issue is: when it's you against the world, you might be right but that's not the way to bet.
Second, I will offer that professional umpires are instructed to watch and see whether the batter "offers at the pitch." They are taught that merely holding the bat still does not constitute offering at a pitch. So in the case under discussion, with the pitch out of the zone, the proper call would be: "Ball," or better yet, "No, he didn't go!"
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Nice Work
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The part in bold is not a strike, it is a ball, and I believe you know it to be true. The part in red is directly opposite of what is true. Stop trying so hard to make a wrong a right. Now if the pitch is in the strike zone, I'm with you and just about everyone else.
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