Texas Brouhaha

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

But major league millionaires give less back to charity and society around them than almost any millionaires in America.

As a group or individually?

Source please.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

As a group or individually?

Source please.

A) Individually.

B) If you read what I wrote, I used the word "almost," which is the truth.

C) You work hard and make the sacrifices to get inside the game and get your own good sources. (I am not saying that I have ever been inside the game as an umpire.)

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

B) If you read what I wrote, I used the word "almost," which is the truth.

And this "truth" is based on what evidence? Do you or do you not have a source for this comment presented as a fact, or is it your opinion?

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Source please.

The reason that you and I lock horns is because of the way you talk down to your lower-level umpire brothers just because you have some years on them or something. We're other umpires! Some of us love the game as much as humanly possible. So we don't need to be outclassed by you in some of that haughty stuff you write.

Well, you know what? When it comes to seeking and providing information on the game of baseball, I am at a higher level than you. I have had many more years of that than you and am decidedly more accomplished than you. So what do I do? Should I talk down to you from now on any time a subject ranges outside your area of mastery: umpiring?

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by tiger49

Funny how people are saying that MLB clubs don't help at the lower level, yet 3 of the 4 biggest sponsors of amature baseball in Ontario have some connection to the MLB and the Toronto Blue Jays.

Good for Toronto. I commend them.

If you saw the half an effort that is made in the immense baseball hotbed that is Southern California, you would see why I would be apt to make that statement. I also see too many dilapidated fields with discs adorning the outfield fences bearing the names and retired numbers of multimillionaire stars.

Hey Gary Mathews! Five years, fifty mil? Go buy some sod and a backstop and a friggin' line marker for your old high school!

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

The reason that you and I lock horns is because of the way you talk down to your lower-level umpire brothers just because you have some years on them or something. We're other umpires! Some of us love the game as much as humanly possible. So we don't need to be outclassed by you in some of that haughty stuff you write.

You are welcome to your perception, as are we all.

I don't "lock horns" with you. I don't have that much emotion invested in you, sorry.

What I do is refuse to give anyone a free ride who spouts questionable material as "fact" when it is indeed most likely opinion. We have a constant turnover of newbies here who may not understand that just because some posters use language to appear knowedgeable, it doesn't necessarily follow that they are.

While I do point out instances where opinion is being expressed as fact, it only looks like I'm locking horns with you because you do it so often.

If searching for the truth appears haughty to you, so be it.

Well, you know what? When it comes to seeking and providing information on the game of baseball, I am at a higher level than you. I have had many more years of that than you and am decidedly more accomplished than you. So what do I do? Should I talk down to you from now on any time a subject ranges outside your area of mastery: umpiring?

As prez 40 would say, "There you go, again."

Since you have no knowlegde of my interests, history or abilities, you have no information to make a factual statement in this regard. You do, however, have every right to express your personal opinion and it will carry the weight it has earned.

So, then, bottom line, with no hautiness, just a request for honest data, do you or do you not have factual data to support your oft repeated claims that baseball players give less charitably then any other professional athlete? If so, please share it so you audience can measure it against what they might know.

Thanks.

[SAump]

The OP had to do with low wages paid to baseball umpires.

I have no problem with accepting any set wage. I have a problem when a higher wage is paid to members of other Texas umpire associations.

Again, I have no problem with accepting any set wage. I have a problem when working JV games by myself and I don't get compensated the same as those in other associations who earn a game and a half pay check.

I also have no problem with the UIL baseball people who decide the triple the number of games played during the week of Spring or Easter break. But shouldn't an umpire earn some type of school holiday rate?

Just throwing it out there on the bargaining table.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Since you have no knowlegde of my interests, history or abilities, you have no information to make a factual statement in this regard. You do, however, have every right to express your personal opinion and it will carry the weight it has earned.

So, then, bottom line, with no hautiness, just a request for honest data, do you or do you not have factual data to support your oft repeated claims that baseball players give less charitably then any other professional athlete? If so, please share it so you audience can measure it against what they might know.

Thanks.

I worked hard for my sources, and you are not entitled to them.

And be more precise in your comprehension. I stated that they give less than "ALMOST any millionaires in America." That was based on an investigation by one of my sources that revealed that of all the millionaires in the game ($1 million per year or more), gave less than one percent of their salary to charity.

And I am positive that I am more accomplished in the area of seeking and providing information on the game of baseball than you. I don't meet many people of my ilk, and you would certainly not be one of them. You can be Mr. Umpire, but mastery of the rest of the game would be where you can get off the train.

So how do you like being treated like you treat everyone else?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

I worked hard for my sources, and you are not entitled to them.

A convenient permit to fabricate "facts".

And be more precise in your comprehension. I stated that they give less than "ALMOST any millionaires in America." That was based on an investigation by one of my sources that revealed that of all the millionaires in the game ($1 million per year or more), gave less than one percent of their salary to charity.

Then this "source" would be incorrect.

And I am positive that I am more accomplished in the area of seeking and providing information on the game of baseball than you. I don't meet many people of my ilk, and you would certainly not be one of them. You can be Mr. Umpire, but mastery of the rest of the game would be where you can get off the train.

Still more unsubstantiated babble, like your earlier posts that dimissed the decades of research and discovery of forgotten and unknown sources by
Jim Evans.

So how do you like being treated like you treat everyone else?

You're projecting again. They only ones I might post to as I have you are others who make up "facts" and then duck for cover when exposed.

I enjoyed your post. I enjoy it when those who prattle admit that they are prattling.

Carry on in the knowledge you have exposed yourself as one who tries to pass off personal opinion and anecdotes as fact.

[Kevin Finnerty]

And you carry on in the game as merely an umpire. When you spend your first day as anything else, let us know.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

I worked hard for my sources....

And be more precise in your comprehension. I stated that they give less than "ALMOST any millionaires in America." That was based on an investigation by one of my sources that revealed that of all the millionaires in the game ($1 million per year or more), gave less than one percent of their salary to charity.

Fire that source.

According to their biographers and their churches, Jeff Kent, Wally Joyner, Dale Murphy...to name just three...all donated betweej 5% and 10% of their annual million dollar plus salaries to their church.

And I am positive that I am more accomplished in the area of seeking and providing information on the game of baseball than you.

As demonstrated above.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Three out of the hundreds of millionaires who have spanned the Murphy to Kent generation. You are a funny man, Mr. Umpire. You are aware that there are those who give zero to charity. Maybe you're not.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Three out of the hundreds of millionaires who have spanned the Murphy to Kent generation. You are a funny man, Mr. Umpire. You are aware that there are those who give zero to charity. Maybe you're not.

1. I believe I stated...just to name three....you want more? I was able to find those in less than five minutes. How long did it take your source to find his incorrect information?

2. Humor has nothing to do with it, sorry. The point Mr. Research, which you conveniently ducked, was to indicate, again, you are claiming as fact statements which are not factual, and the point was made.

3. Your skill at redirecting the conversation and trying to ignore what you have publicly claimed as fact is remarkable, but it doesnt change the real facts: You have repeatedly posted "facts" which have been proven to be no more than opinion.

4. Your free ride pretending to be an expert in all things statistical is over.

You may guffaw to your heart's content and attempt to disract attention from what you have previously posted. Having exposed your posts for what they are, I will withdraw from this thread before the lock-down occurs.

Veritas vos liberabit