Let their mistakes work for you

[johnnyg08]

Nothing is egotistical or offensive unless it is accepted that way.


You don't really believe that do you?

[L.A. Umpire Guy]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Well, you may as well add me to that list too, then! Nothing is egotistical or offensive unless it is accepted that way. But then, in today's "Oooo, please don't hurt my feelings" society of today, I just don't know anymore!

I am as thick-skinned as any person you will ever see or know. I am speaking out principally on behalf of others, as usual. And Tim C.'s approach to umpires and umpiring is egotistical and offensive by normal standards.

And for the record, Ozzy, I find you markedly more real, and your approach easier to digest than the vaunted Tim C. (And that comes from a 50-year-old who was raised by Depression-era folks.)

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Tee,

...

Out of curiousity Tee, how good are you (strikezone, game management, judgment calls, mechanics, rules knowledge, etc)?

canadaump6,

Although I've only seen him work once (HS Varsity, 2-man), I'd have to say he's pretty f#@&in' good.

I think I might actually be a little better on "rules knowledge" than he is, but on all the other things you mention (which are actualy more important in terms of being a good umpire), I would have to say he's in a higher "league" than I.

JMO.

JM

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Tee,

Out of curiousity Tee, how good are you (strikezone, game management, judgment calls, mechanics, rules knowledge, etc)?

I've never seen Tim C. work as we have an entire country between us (I am on the Atlantic Ocean, he is on the Pacific Ocean). However, Tim & I have been discussing umpiring for close to 3 decades. This goes back to the days of Bill Boards and that was before you were on this Earth (You once stated you were 22 or 23?) . We have the same desire to work hard and be the best we can. We both enjoy training new umpires (that are willing to learn) and observe other umpires to aid them in their development. We work on the rules just about every day in one way or another. We are proud of our craft and tough teachers. That is what makes our students the best that they can be.

We both love our Country and do not take too kindly to those who think they know "the real American". Many thought they "knew" us in years gone by - just ask a "son of the rising sun" or a goose stepping madman. They thought they knew the Real American but what they didn't know as well as they thought!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I've never seen Tim C. work as we have an entire country between us (I am on the Atlantic Ocean, he is on the Pacific Ocean). However, Tim & I have been discussing umpiring for close to 3 decades. This goes back to the days of Bill Boards and that was before you were on this Earth (You once stated you were 22 or 23?) . We have the same desire to work hard and be the best we can. We both enjoy training new umpires (that are willing to learn) and observe other umpires to aid them in their development. We work on the rules just about every day in one way or another. We are proud of our craft and tough teachers. That is what makes our students the best that they can be.

We both love our Country and do not take too kindly to those who think they know "the real American". Many thought they "knew" us in years gone by - just ask a "son of the rising sun" or a goose stepping madman. They thought they knew the Real American but what they didn't know as well as they thought!

I have watched him work. You hit the nail on the head.

[griff901c]

I too have been doing this a long time. I would jump at the chance to work with Tim C...and a handful of others on this forum in a heartbeat.....his no nonsense approach is a breath of fresh air in a in a mamby pamby pc world.

I love working with people who challenge me..makes me REALLY think when most just get by.To know my partner is on the same page is always more fun.....

WAIT...what if I fail????? What if the coaches don't like me???Just kidding...that ain't gonna happen......respect is earned..both ways..and it's a great feeling. So is dumping a nig-nog coach.....an altogether different kind of fun....but thats another thread...


griff

[RPatrino]

Amen, brother Griff!!

[Nigel Tufnel]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Tee,

I think the original poster's point was that we should try and learn from the mistakes we see televised umpires make, so that we don't make these mistakes ourselves. It's a good idea, but a lot of the mistakes these guys make are mechanical, and most of us already know the correct mechanic.

Out of curiousity Tee, how good are you (strikezone, game management, judgment calls, mechanics, rules knowledge, etc)?

You don't get it...do you (rhetorical)

I don't know Tim from s^*&...but I can bet you he is not a LL umpire, to which you are referencing about umps on TV...

Mechanics are honed over years of umpiring...someday maybe your skills might be as good as Tim's... again, I don't know you either, but I could probably pick out who is who if you both walked on the field together

[Jim Camp]

I agree with learning from MY MISTAKES and others. I have never had an evaluation that was perfect. With as many 2 and 3 man camps I have been to I still have never worked that perfect game. ( always striving for but haven't achieved yet). Umpires should never bash the other brothers that have the BALLS to umpire what ever level they do. So I would say always try and learn from every umpire that you see work or that you work with.We can always find ways to improve our games whether we are seasoned veterans or the newest umpire. Just my thoughts.