no runners - base hit, responsibility for the BR

[_Bruno_]

hi,
we discussed the following today and had different opinions.
sit : no runners on base, base hit to the OF gap, BR makes it at least into 2ndbase, but could go further.

a.) BU takes the BR into 2ndbase and 3rdbase
b.) BU takes the BR to 2ndbase, PU takes the play at 3rdbase

what's the advantage/disadvantage of a or b ?

[Tim C]

" . . . no runners on base, base hit to the OF gap, BR makes it at least into 2ndbase, but could go further.

a.) BU takes the BR into 2ndbase and 3rdbase
b.) BU takes the BR to 2ndbase, PU takes the play at 3rdbase"

There is no reason on earth to use the ancient NFHS mechanic (b).

The base umpire is just that . . . a base umpire and other than Nebraska I do not know of any other state that requires the worthless PU to third mechanic.

Regards,

[Welpe]

Tim, I believe TASO mechanics have the PU to cover 3rd in this situation as well.

[jdmara]

That's a pregame topic for me. Depending on the mobility of the BU, he will follow it around to 3rd.

-Josh

Originally Posted by jdmara

That's a pregame topic for me. Depending on the mobility of the BU, he will follow it around to 3rd.

-Josh

Mobility?

He only need to travel about 200' in the same amount of time that the b/r go 290'. If he can't do that, he has NO business doing that level of game!

[Publius]

Originally Posted by rei

He only need to travel about 200' ...

200' from A to the third-base cutout? If I'm setting up that deep in A (about 160' behind first base), I think I'd let the plate umpire take the B/R at third.

If you have to run more than 125' from A to get within 13' of third, you're setting up WAAAY too deep.

That, or you really do work BIG diamond games.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jdmara

That's a pregame topic for me. Depending on the mobility of the BU, he will follow it around to 3rd.

-Josh

Good God. A BU that can't take a BR around to third should just pack it in.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Good God. A BU that can't take a BR around to third should just pack it in.

Absolutely. Even in the out-of-shape state I'm in now, I can still beat the BR to 3rd from A anytime (I'd be out of breath these days, but I'd still be there in a set position ready to make the call at the cutout).

No reason at all for the PU to go to 3rd on this play. Stay home where ya belong! I hate it when plate guys creep up the line thinking they're helping out when I've got 3rd. Just go back to tending your little garden and let me do my job!

[SethPDX]

I will join Tim, rei, and Rich in taking BR all the way to 3B. You can cut through the infield to get there, you know. And I know I can use the exercise.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Good God. A BU that can't take a BR around to third should just pack it in.

Right or wrong I've seen it done many different ways over the years. It's always best to discuss it and remove all doubt of nobody being there. Just my two sense. I agree that if an umpire can't beat a baserunning to 3b he probably shouldn't be out there, but it happens.

-Josh

[mick]

Originally Posted by _Bruno_

hi,
we discussed the following today and had different opinions.
sit : no runners on base, base hit to the OF gap, BR makes it at least into 2ndbase, but could go further.

a.) BU takes the BR into 2ndbase and 3rdbase
b.) BU takes the BR to 2ndbase, PU takes the play at 3rdbase

what's the advantage/disadvantage of a or b ?

I was working with a tourney UIC/PU and taking a batter/runner to 3rd and, peripherally, saw PU 2/3-way to third. Easy play a third.

At the 1/2-inning, I asked, "WTF were you doing on third base? The next time I see you there I'm stopping at 2nd and then I'm leaving. Stay outa my yard or ump alone."

Of course with runners on he was still ready to help.

[johnnyg08]

The best blues in the world often times don't get the respect they maybe deserve from players/managers/coaches