leading off behind first base

[dmass]

I coach in a youth league that does not allow runners to lead off until the pitch crosses the plate. One coach has taught his runners at first to stand in foul territory with one foot on the bag in the belief they can get a "running start" before leaving the base.

My question is, is this legal?

I haven't brought it up to him or any umps, but I beleive it is not legal and here is why:

Rules call for all players to start in fair territory on every pitch and I know in older leagues where leadoffs are allowed the the baseman (First or Third) must start in fair territory when covering their base for a pick off attempt. I am using the same rational for base runners: They must start in fair territory, too.

Am I correct or wrong?

If right, I don't plan to raise it as the other team is getting an unfair advantage (I don't believe it actually helps his runners) but more as a basic learning/teaching opportunity of the rules so the kids are being properly taught.

Thanks

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by dmass

I coach in a youth league that does not allow runners to lead off until the pitch crosses the plate. One coach has taught his runners at first to stand in foul territory with one foot on the bag in the belief they can get a "running start" before leaving the base.

My question is, is this legal?

I haven't brought it up to him or any umps, but I beleive it is not legal and here is why:

Rules call for all players to start in fair territory on every pitch and I know in older leagues where leadoffs are allowed the the baseman (First or Third) must start in fair territory when covering their base for a pick off attempt. I am using the same rational for base runners: They must start in fair territory, too.

Am I correct or wrong?

If right, I don't plan to raise it as the other team is getting an unfair advantage (I don't believe it actually helps his runners) but more as a basic learning/teaching opportunity of the rules so the kids are being properly taught.

Thanks

The move is legal.

The rules only require that fielders be in fair territory. Runners on 3B lead off in foul territory as a matter of course.

[mj]

In my opinion, as long as they are in contact with the base with one foot it is legal.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by dmass

I coach in a youth league that does not allow runners to lead off until the pitch crosses the plate. One coach has taught his runners at first to stand in foul territory with one foot on the bag in the belief they can get a "running start" before leaving the base.

My question is, is this legal?

I haven't brought it up to him or any umps, but I beleive it is not legal and here is why:

Rules call for all players to start in fair territory on every pitch and I know in older leagues where leadoffs are allowed the the baseman (First or Third) must start in fair territory when covering their base for a pick off attempt. I am using the same rational for base runners: They must start in fair territory, too.

Am I correct or wrong?

If right, I don't plan to raise it as the other team is getting an unfair advantage (I don't believe it actually helps his runners) but more as a basic learning/teaching opportunity of the rules so the kids are being properly taught.

Thanks

If a runner on third is leading in fair ground, THAT would be bad coaching.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by dmass

I coach in a youth league that does not allow runners to lead off until the pitch crosses the plate. One coach has taught his runners at first to stand in foul territory with one foot on the bag in the belief they can get a "running start" before leaving the base.
My question is, is this legal?

Yes, it is legal. This is not a "running start" before leaving the base. Please remain quiet and enjoy the benefits of poor coaching. The defense doesn't really gain much advantage when the R increases the distance to his next objective by one step. Yet this same advantage applies when runner(s) take extra-wide turns around the bases.
[QUOTE=dmass]

Originally Posted by dmass

I haven't brought it up to him or any umps, but I beleive it is not legal and here is why:
Rules call for all players to start in fair territory on every pitch and I know in older leagues where leadoffs are allowed the the baseman (First or Third) must start in fair territory when covering their base for a pick off attempt. I am using the same rational for base runners: They must start in fair territory, too.
Am I correct or wrong?

Wrong. You stated the more appropriate rule which doesn't allow baserunners a "running start" by gaining mometum toward the next base from behind the base. This would be unfair to the defense for obvious reasons, such as SB, DP and retouch after a first touch.

Originally Posted by dmass

If right, I don't plan to raise it as the other team is getting an unfair advantage (I don't believe it actually helps his runners) but more as a basic learning/teaching opportunity of the rules so the kids are being properly taught. Thanks

Right again, and for all the right reasons.

Here's a link to a similar discussion about the lead at 1B.
Leading

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by dmass

I coach in a youth league that does not allow runners to lead off until the pitch crosses the plate. One coach has taught his runners at first to stand in foul territory with one foot on the bag in the belief they can get a "running start" before leaving the base.

So let me get this straight: no leading off, so the kid is STANDING STILL, one foot on the base, and that gives him a "running start"? Sorry, I don't appreciate the finer points of coaching.

[kylejt]

Watch NCAA softball, and you will see players launch themselves in this manner at first and second. It's actually good coaching, and gives your players an advantage to the next base. You launch when the ball is about 10 feet from the plate, thus putting the runner in motion, while still being in contact with the bag, when the ball reaches the batter.

[dmass]

Thanks for all the feedback. I will keep my mouth shut the next time we play them and also see if this manuever helps theri runners.

Also, I did think about runners at third leading off in foul territory but I guess I considered that "different" becasue they were moving in the diretion of the next base (i.e. home)

Anyway, thanks for all the input.