No such thing as a timing play?

[HokieUmp]

Originally Posted by greymule

Since the coach invoked softball, I'll extend the OP a bit and give an example of a difference between OBR and ASA softball.

In the OP, the run scored before the third out, so it counts (time play). However, if after the tag, F5 still had time to get the BR at 1B, he could have done so for a fourth out and nullified the run.

But in ASA softball, he could not. Even if the BR never left the batter's box, he cannot be put out for a fourth out (because he didn't score).

Maybe I haven't been at this forum long enough, but are you kidding me? I like to think I keep up with sarcasm and such, but perhaps I missed it here.

Other than the appeal section, where it talks about the "apparent 4th out," where else does it say anything about a 4th out nullifying a run? In anything - rulebook, interpretation, whatever?

[SAump]

Originally Posted by HokieUmp

Maybe I haven't been at this forum long enough, but are you kidding me? I like to think I keep up with sarcasm and such, but perhaps I missed it here.

Other than the appeal section, where it talks about the "apparent 4th out," where else does it say anything about a 4th out nullifying a run? In anything - rulebook, interpretation, whatever?

OBR 7.10: Any runner shall be called out, on appeal, when --
Appeal plays may require an umpire to recognize an apparent “fourth out.” If the third out is made during a play in which an appeal play is sustained on another runner, the appeal play decision takes precedence in determining the out. If there is more than one appeal during a play that ends a half-inning, the defense may elect to take the out that gives it the advantage. For the purpose of this rule, the defensive team has “left the field” when the pitcher and all infielders have left fair territory on their way to the bench or clubhouse.

Well, if it doesn't; how about 2006 BRD#3, Pg 9-10 Appeals: Advantages Out at First: Live Action
FED, NCAA and OBR Point not covered. FED Official Interp. 2-3: Hopkins. NCAA Official Interp. 3-3: Fetchiet. OBR Official Interp. 4-3: Fitzpatrick. Advantageous 4th Out.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

A "continuation play" is the ridiculous notion introduced in the NBA that allows a player to score a basket even though he was fouled well before he began to initiate a scoring attempt.
JM

I'll assume that you mean that the transference to baseball is ridiculous. The continuation play as the NBA resolves it is a fine rule that disfavors the D for obvious reasons.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by kylejt

A continuation play is when a basketball player gets fouled in the act shooting.

My point is that if you're getting paid to do upper level ball, you've GOT to know this. There can't even be a question in your mind.

Hey, was observed and got invited to work a woodbat tourney with a bunch of teams comprised of players heading for AA and AAA ball..

When I get this who timing play sorted out, I might read up on balks.

Tap on the wrist huh... ok well since its so common I will learn from ya in case a partner does it.
Thanks!
(see, you dont have to start at LL and work your way up.. you can just show up with solid softball mechanics and they are so impressed you are working 18U's and woodbat leagues).

Ha.

[RPatrino]

Wade, congratulations on your selection to do that wood bat tourny!!

No, you don't have to work your way up the ladder to be a successful umpire. I've met a few guys who work MiLB that have never even done HS. Of course those are few and far between and they were recent graduates of Harry's school working A ball.

And yes, some mechanics are the same, whether softball or baseball. What will trip you up, though, is not having a solid rule foundation. So, I highly suggest you 'read up' on balks.

[fitump56]

http://www.umpire.org/mechanics/signals/timeplay.jpg

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

When I get this who timing play sorted out, I might read up on balks.

Tap on the wrist huh... ok well since its so common I will learn from ya in case a partner does it.

I posted this before, but somehow it got deleted, but tapping on the wrist with index and middle fingers is the mechanic for "timing play" all the way up to and including the MLB level. If you pay close attention, you will see the PU on major league games signal like this with 2 outs and a time play situation.
It is most certainly not just a Little League mechanic.

Edited to please the nit-picker.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I posted this before, but somehow it got deleted, but tapping on the wrist with index and middle fingers is the mechanic for "timing play" all the way up to and including the MLB level. If you pay close attention, you will see the PU on major league games signal like this with 2 outs and a time play situation.
It is most certainly not a Little League mechanic.

Huh? LL has this very mechanic. I don't officiate LL but I know for a fact that this is a LL mechanic.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by fitump56

Huh? LL has this very mechanic. I don't officiate LL but I know for a fact that this is a LL mechanic.

Oh, alright. You must live in Rio Linda too. I meant not exclusively a Little League mechanic, but a mechanic in every level of baseball. I didn't realize that I had to draw a diagram.

[aceholleran]

Originally Posted by greymule

Since the coach invoked softball, I'll extend the OP a bit and give an example of a difference between OBR and ASA softball.

In the OP, the run scored before the third out, so it counts (time play). However, if after the tag, F5 still had time to get the BR at 1B, he could have done so for a fourth out and nullified the run.

But in ASA softball, he could not. Even if the BR never left the batter's box, he cannot be put out for a fourth out (because he didn't score).

Can someone please tell me what I just read?

Ace

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by socalblue1

Uh huh ... "Timing play" is the ONLY correct answer. Please advise just where the term "Continuation play" appears in the OBR rules relating to scoring.

The only place I heard "continuation play" was in basketball.

bob

[SAump]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

The only place I heard "continuation play" was in basketball.
bob

The coach may have been using the right terminology to describe the next immediate play after the 3rd out was made; while at the very same time, incorrectly applying a rule that does not exist; e.g. counting the run after an advantageous 4th out has been made at 1B.
"If the action is continuing and the tagged base is a "force" base, the defense makes the appeal merely by "stepping on the missed base."
A continuation play, in the proper context of the rules, is acceptable to the baseball community.

[SAump]

A coach runs out of the dugout to argue a call and incorrectly quotes a rule that does not exist {e.g., see OP}. You calmly try to explain your reasoning and he loudly disagrees. He is not listening to your argument, he is only trying to show you UP {slang term}. Would you immediately eject him?

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by SAump

A coach runs out of the dugout to argue a call and incorrectly quotes a rule that does not exist {e.g., see OP}. You calmly try to explain your reasoning and he loudly disagrees. He is not listening to your argument, he is only trying to show you UP {slang term}. Would you immediately eject him?

I don't know about others might handle it, but depending on how he came running out of the dugout he just might find himself on the way to the parking lot. I'm not fond of coaches who run at me to argue a call.


Tim.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by SAump

Would you immediately eject him?

What's faster than immediately?