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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 01:18pm
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This is a question for all you players and coaches.

I was playing a game a couple days ago in my local adult league. I was in right field. With a runner on first base, a ball was hit through the hole to me. As I charged in to get it, I heard someone yell "go to three", and I knew the runner would be trying to go first to third. I fielded it, and threw it as hard as I could towards third base. It was an okay throw, and the shortstop ended up catching it between second and third base. The runner advanced to third, the batter stayed at first. I thought I did a good job of making a fairly strong, accurate throw.

But then I hear the third baseman say "you've gotta hit the cutoff on that one, we had a play on the guy going to third". Apparently it was my fault that I did not hit the cutoff guy. Funny thing is, the cutoff man was the second baseman, positioned just beyond the infield about 80 feet away from me, and had I pegged one in his direction that he decided to let go through, it would have ended up out of play, between home plate and third base.

Not only was the cutoff man not lined up between me and third base, he was too close to me, and he can't even throw. I take it as an insult that everyone would think that I should make a little-league distance throw to him, so that he can gun it across the infield.

When I got back to the dugout after the inning was over, I asked about what I did wrong. Apparently I am supposed to field the ball, look for the cutoff, and throw it to him, even if he is in a crappy position. I thought that I should just field it and throw it towards the base I am going to, without even worrying about whether the cutoff is there or not, and it is the cutoff's responsibility to be there in the first place. It's not like I have a feeble arm or anything, so I am offended that they would think I would even need a cutoff on a first to third type of play.

Something tells me there is a bit of favouritism on my team, as we have shortstops, first, second and third basemen who either cannot throw, field, or a combination of the two. Yet here I am, solid glove and okay arm, wasting away in right field.

Do you guys think I did the right thing in just throwing to the base and not worrying about whether the cutoff man was there or not, or should I have made a 80 foot throw to the cutoff man who was out of position and couldn't throw to save his life?
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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 01:28pm
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This is a question for all you players and coaches.
Bearing in mind that I confuse easily, but.....why would you ask this question on an umpiring web site? Should you take it to an appropriate site-- coaching/playing, E-Teamz, the Wonderful World of Little League, etc.?

I don't think that too may umpires really care about what you're asking.
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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 01:29pm
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This is a question for all you players and coaches.

I was playing a game a couple days ago in my local adult league. I was in right field. With a runner on first base, a ball was hit through the hole to me. As I charged in to get it, I heard someone yell "go to three", and I knew the runner would be trying to go first to third. I fielded it, and threw it as hard as I could towards third base. It was an okay throw, and the shortstop ended up catching it between second and third base. The runner advanced to third, the batter stayed at first. I thought I did a good job of making a fairly strong, accurate throw.

But then I hear the third baseman say "you've gotta hit the cutoff on that one, we had a play on the guy going to third". Apparently it was my fault that I did not hit the cutoff guy. Funny thing is, the cutoff man was the second baseman, positioned just beyond the infield about 80 feet away from me, and had I pegged one in his direction that he decided to let go through, it would have ended up out of play, between home plate and third base.

Not only was the cutoff man not lined up between me and third base, he was too close to me, and he can't even throw. I take it as an insult that everyone would think that I should make a little-league distance throw to him, so that he can gun it across the infield.

When I got back to the dugout after the inning was over, I asked about what I did wrong. Apparently I am supposed to field the ball, look for the cutoff, and throw it to him, even if he is in a crappy position. I thought that I should just field it and throw it towards the base I am going to, without even worrying about whether the cutoff is there or not, and it is the cutoff's responsibility to be there in the first place. It's not like I have a feeble arm or anything, so I am offended that they would think I would even need a cutoff on a first to third type of play.

Something tells me there is a bit of favouritism on my team, as we have shortstops, first, second and third basemen who either cannot throw, field, or a combination of the two. Yet here I am, solid glove and okay arm, wasting away in right field.

Do you guys think I did the right thing in just throwing to the base and not worrying about whether the cutoff man was there or not, or should I have made a 80 foot throw to the cutoff man who was out of position and couldn't throw to save his life?
This is about rules, not playing strategies so expect a bunch of "who cares" responses.


BTW, you run the play the way the coach wants you to run the play.
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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 02:15pm
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Who cares?

Didn't want to frustrate your expectations.
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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 02:34pm
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I thought we had hurt his feelings and he was taking his ball and going home ?
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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 03:14pm
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I've seen questions regarding how wins and losses for starting pitchers are determined on this board. And I'm not about to go through the hassle of setting up a whole new account on another board just to ask one question. That being said, one question regarding baseball strategy is not a big deal. Why are all these non-athletes even posting in this thread anyways?
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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 03:18pm
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two bases from the time of the throw.

there, i had to make this thread look like it had something to do with officiating.
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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 03:18pm
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Why are all these non-athletes even posting in this thread anyways?
Hmmmmm........

Maybe because this is an umpires/sports officials discussion board and they are umpires/sports officials?

Ya think?
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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 03:31pm
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Why are all these non-athletes even posting in this thread anyways?
...funny, don't athletes know how to make a cutoff throw?
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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 04:02pm
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Why are all these non-athletes even posting in this thread anyways?
Because you walked up to the podium of an Astronomy convention and asked them a question about American History. Sorry - no double majors here. There's a reason you're getting the internet equivalent of a blank stare.

I'm sorry if you think it's our fault that you're too lazy (ie. "I'm not about to go through the hassle...") to set up an account on a site that could answer your question, and would rather expend your efforts here, where your topic is 100% off topic for the board.
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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 04:04pm
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This is a question for all you players and coaches.
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Do you guys think I did the right thing in just throwing to the base and not worrying about whether the cutoff man was there or not, or should I have made a 80 foot throw to the cutoff man who was out of position and couldn't throw to save his life?
There are three reasons you got put in right field:
  1. The opponents have a strong left-handed hitting team.
  2. You have a strong arm.
  3. Your hitting and fielding skills are unproven.
If it was because of #2, you did fine.
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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 04:09pm
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If it was because of #2, you did fine.
Except for the whole Not-Doing-What-His-Coach-Told-Him-To-Do thing...
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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 04:17pm
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Cdump, since apparently your best athletic days are behind you (happens to the best of us), I suggest you take up umpiring instead. A way to stay on the field, you might say.

Have you considered this option?
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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 04:24pm
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Except for the whole Not-Doing-What-His-Coach-Told-Him-To-Do thing...
Ha ! Good call !
I imagine if the coach had told him ahead of time, it would have gone to the cut-off.
...Or maybe on that AA team, everyone, including F5, is a coach. I've been down that path....
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Old Mon Jun 11, 2007, 04:30pm
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There are three reasons you got put in right field:
  1. The opponents have a strong left-handed hitting team.
  2. You have a strong arm.
  3. Your hitting and fielding skills are unproven.
If it was because of #2, you did fine.
Or:
4. You are the very worst player on the team, and there was no other place to hide you.
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