baseline

[mike1989]

o.k.
yet it might not be interference.
running out the the base line is...if he knows to run inside the foul line to make a throw to first difficult, can this not be called a out for running out of the baseline if the catcher cannot make a throw because he is running in fair territory.
just a question

[3appleshigh]

NO

If the catcher can't make the throw, he should have been taught to hit the runner in the back for the interference call.

[mike1989]

so if he hits the runner, do we call interference

[3appleshigh]

If he is out of the running lane you do. you can also call it if the catcher throws the ball away into the Field, but it is a much harder sell.

[DG]

Originally Posted by mike1989

so if he hits the runner, do we call interference

Depends. The BR shall run in the running lane when there will be a throw from the plate area, usually from F2, but it could be F1, or maybe F5 and it's usually a bunt or third strike not caught. If he is out of the running lane and is struck by a quality thrown ball he shall be ruled out for interference. The quality thrown ball is important. Let's say he swings at strike 3 and the ball gets away from F2 to his right. The BR is running left of the foul line in fair territory and is struck by a throw from F2 who has retrieved the ball. The BR is struck 15 feet from the bag and the throw has no chance of reaching 1b. This is not a quality throw and we shall not call interference on this one. Or let's say the BR lays downa bunt and is running right of the running lane when he is struck by a throw that has no chance of reaching 1b, same thing, not a quality throw. The BR is not interfering with the thrown ball, but with F3's opportunity to catch it. If it's a bad throw then there is no interference with F3. Also, there can never be an interference call without a throw, again because he is not interfering with F3's right to catch it, if it wasn't thrown.

One exception in FED, there is an interp out there that says if F2 throws the ball over F3's head trying to lob it over the BR we shall rule interference on this. This is FED interp only, OBR would consider this to be a poor quality throw.

F2 should never be coached to intentionally throw at a runner or he will surely hit one with a poor throw someday and could cause an injury. He should be coached to do his best to make a good throw to 1b and let the chips fall where they may. If in so doing he hits the BR then the umpires will rule on it considering the position of the runner and the quality of the throw.

[3appleshigh]

The catcher should be taught that it is better to hit the runner, then to lob it past the firstbaseman.

[archangel]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

The catcher should be taught that it is better to hit the runner, then to lob it past the firstbaseman.

What I see taught is for F3, who is looking at the BR coming towards him, to hold glove out to the "open" side, away from runner, to give F2 a good target...

[mike1989]

so back to my original question. Is it legal for a baserunner to run inside the foul line the last half of the distance to first base?

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

The catcher should be taught that it is better to hit the runner, then to lob it past the firstbaseman.

The catcher should not be taught anything of the sort.

The catcher should be taught to clear the running lane, ignore the BR, and throw to F3 as if there was no runner. If it turns out BR illegally interferes with a quality throw, you have an out.

Any coach teaching the catcher to hit the runner runs the risk of getting a no-INT call if the umpire rules the throw was a try to hit the runner as opposed to a quality throw to retire him.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by DG

One exception in FED, there is an interp out there that says if F2 throws the ball over F3's head trying to lob it over the BR we shall rule interference on this. This is FED interp only, OBR would consider this to be a poor quality throw.

This is also an NCAA interp. I believe it was in the 2006 or 2007 preseason bulletin.

Also, for what it's worth, i've seen the "lob throw" called interference in an MLB game. It was a replay from about 1992 (NLCS i believe).

[DG]

Originally Posted by bossman72

Also, for what it's worth, i've seen the "lob throw" called interference in an MLB game. It was a replay from about 1992 (NLCS i believe).

I would not call that a rule setting precedent. A lob throw over F3's head is NOT a quality throw and the BR did NOT interfere with F3's ability to catch it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by boyinblue24

Ha! In LL if this happens you've got NOTHING! Except a hurt runner. Wouldn't that apply to all levels?

I don't purport to be an expert on LL rules, but I find this hard to believe.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by boyinblue24

Ha! In LL if this happens you've got NOTHING! Except a hurt runner. Wouldn't that apply to all levels?

Once again, jumping out there with an incorrect ruling. No, this is not correct - in LL, the interference rule regarding a runner more than halfway to first is IDENTICAL to higher levels.

[3appleshigh]

Just out of curiosity, for those who are against what I said about teaching a cather what to do. Picture this play, and give me your calls

BR Bunts along 1st base line runs the entire way to first with his body staddling the foul line. Catcher fields the ball and throws to first:

1. A solid throw hitting the runner between the shoulder blades with runners Left foot on the ground and Right foot in the air.
2. A solid throw hitting the runner between the shoulder blades with runners Right foot on the ground and Left foot in the air.
3. Steps out toward either Fair or foul and throws a catchable Dart past First baseman into the out field.
4. Steps out toward either Fair or foul and throws an uncatchable Dart past First baseman into the out field.
5. Lobs the ball over the runner, and out of the reach of the first baseman
6. Lobs the ball over the runner, and within the reach of the first baseman, but he drops it.

Now change the play slightly where the runner is completely in Fair territory the entire time. Same 6 senarios, whats the call.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

Just out of curiosity, for those who are against what I said about teaching a cather what to do. Picture this play, and give me your calls

BR Bunts along 1st base line runs the entire way to first with his body staddling the foul line. Catcher fields the ball and throws to first:

1. A solid throw hitting the runner between the shoulder blades with runners Left foot on the ground and Right foot in the air.
2. A solid throw hitting the runner between the shoulder blades with runners Right foot on the ground and Left foot in the air.
3. Steps out toward either Fair or foul and throws a catchable Dart past First baseman into the out field.
4. Steps out toward either Fair or foul and throws an uncatchable Dart past First baseman into the out field.
5. Lobs the ball over the runner, and out of the reach of the first baseman
6. Lobs the ball over the runner, and within the reach of the first baseman, but he drops it.

Now change the play slightly where the runner is completely in Fair territory the entire time. Same 6 senarios, whats the call.

Day game or night game?