New FED rule: appeals required, made easier

[Gee]

Fed, Shmed. Why don't they just stick to safety, which, from what I understand, was their initial purpose. We do not do Fed for HS. Thaaaank gawd. We do follow the slide rules and even they are screwed up. Those people are totally out of touch.

This change really shows that. The OBR appeal rule is simple, reasonable, understandable and it works, Why not just adopt it. Politics. G.

[harmbu]

Is this rule in effect right now for Fall baseball? If not, when will it go into effect?

[GarthB]

Coach, the change is listed as a "2002 rule change". I believe it takes effect January 1, 2002

GB

[harmbu]

Thanks Garth

[JJ]

Since all the teams will have to do to appeal in Fed under the new rule is ask (and not deliver the ball to the base being appealed), how long do you suppose it will be before teams are appealing EVERY tagup and base touch every time the ball is hit? I see it as a potential problem, and hope the FED folks consider modifying things before the 2002 season rolls around.

[JJ]

With regardss to my previous post, I received an email in reply to one I sent to the NFHS regarding my concerns with the new appeal rule. Elliot Hopkins at the NFHS says they do not think it will be a problem and therefore does not need to be amended prior to the start of the 2002 season.

Any thoughts?

[whiskers_ump]

Originally posted by JJ
With regardss to my previous post, I received an email in reply to one I sent to the NFHS regarding my concerns with the new appeal rule. Elliot Hopkins at the NFHS says they do not think it will be a problem and therefore does not need to be amended prior to the start of the 2002 season.

Any thoughts?

If NFHS sees no problem then surely the people,
[DA BLUE],having to enforce
it will not have any problem. [grin].

glen

My understanding is they put a similar rule in softball last year and had no real problems. When they putit in all the softball guys said it was inline with ASA. So since softball was used to a similar rule there weren't problems. However baseball doesn't have such a thing at any level. They have real appeals but not the type instituted by the FED. I'm not saying it's going to be a big deal but I don't think it will go as smooth as softball did. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Patrick Szalapski]

I still don't understand how a live ball appeal can be made (by a player or the coach) without a tag of a base and a runner. Could someone explain to me the procedure?

P-Sz

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Patrick Szalapski
I still don't understand how a live ball appeal can be made (by a player or the coach) without a tag of a base and a runner. Could someone explain to me the procedure?

P-Sz

Coach: "Hey, Blue -- that runner missed second."
Umpire: "You're right. He's out."

Iguess what they are trying to do is make the defense have to be aware of the miss but not have all the mistakes of trying to appeal. In low level ball it's a toss up on who screws it up more the players or the umps. This way it's stupid proof.

[whiskers_ump]

Originally posted by Patrick Szalapski
I still don't understand how a live ball appeal can be made (by a player or the coach) without a tag of a base and a runner. Could someone explain to me the procedure?

P-Sz

Patrick,
Where did you find that a live ball appeal can be
made without a tag?? According to the 8-2Pen. new

A live ball appeal may be may by a coach, or
any defensive player with the ball in his possession
by tagging runner or touching the base, that was
missed or left too early.

A dead ball appeal may be made by coach, or
any defensive play with or without the ball by
verbally stating the the runner missed base or
left too soon

The fact is, this rule is going to take place,
as JJ found out from NFHS when he querried them.
Might as well review and prepare. It was really
not a big deal in softball. Just have to remember
when you see missed base or left too soon on fly,
dont call until appealed, [wanted] dead or
alive. [grin]

glen

[JJ]

"Stupid proof..."

I LIKE that! Might just have to find a place to use it! Thanks, M. T.

[Patrick Szalapski]

Glen, I still don't understand the procedure for a coach making a live ball appeal. How does this take place?

P-Sz

[Edited by Patrick Szalapski on Sep 3rd, 2001 at 07:09 PM]

I assume that the coach would ask the ump for an appeal and the ump calls it. In live ball the player would have to actually tag the player or base. Another just came to me. In the past you could have an inadvertent appeal. In other words if you happen to step on the right base with the ball you got the appeal even if you didn't know you were doing it. I have never called this but I believe it was in the casebook.