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Old Thu Dec 08, 2005, 03:02pm
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Situation: BU at C position during junior legion
Third base (Blue Team) coach was yelling to R2 "off" when the pitcher made to motion to go home, about the 3rd or 4th pitch the Red Team coach storm onto the field to talk to a partner (1st year and third game behind the plate) and states "He can not do that!" They looked confused so I walked into the conversation to help my partner and realized at was battle of wits and no one was winning. They looked at me and he repeated "He can’t do that!"

"Do what?", so he explains the he can not yell "BALK" well by this time the third base coach (Blue Team) was there who started to defend himself from what he thought would be an ejection. So I asked the Red Team coach who are talking about and what do think he is doing, and why can’t he do what every it is he doing and why do think you get to come onto our field and make statements. Well, by this time his manager (Red Team) comes running to get him off the field.

So I tell the manager and coach (Red Team), "He did nothing illegal and if he does I’ll eject him" Third base coach (Blue Team)looks wild eyed at me and before he said a word I asked "Did you do anything illegal?" He said no, then I tell then we have nothing to worry about, Red Team’s manager listened quietly then apologized for his coach and promised to keep him off the field.

Three pitched go by then Blue Team third base coach says OFF! to R2, then the Ted Team coach comes out on to the field and begins to complain, the Blue Team third base begins to explain he did nothing wrong as they both walked to me like two kids caught with their hands in the cookie jar. So I looked at the Red Team coach , and said "You are the one making the issue out nothing, let talk between innings and keep the game moving" He says "NO!" so the Red Teams’s manager tries to pull him off the field and I’m feeling kinda’ squirrelly at this point. I realized he is an idiot. So I said "Coach you need to……, " He cut me off an actually said "Are you putting ME in time out!"

Well, I’ve got an odd sense of humor and said "YES, if you leave time out your gone, not a word, nothing!" The look on his face was priceless!

The manger, third base and myself walk away laughing.
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Old Thu Dec 08, 2005, 04:33pm
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Situation: BU at C position during junior legion
Third base (Blue Team) coach was yelling to R2 "off" when the pitcher made to motion to go home, about the 3rd or 4th pitch the Red Team coach storm onto the field to talk to a partner (1st year and third game behind the plate) and states "He can not do that!"
toss him. who is an assistant coach to do or say anything like this to an umpire in this, or pretty much any situation?

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So I tell the manager and coach (Red Team), "He did nothing illegal and if he does I’ll eject him"
i'm not so sure about saying this unless you actually do plan to throw the coach out immediately when he breaks a rule or does something illegal.

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Three pitched go by then Blue Team third base coach says OFF! to R2, then the Ted Team coach comes out on to the field and begins to complain, the Blue Team third base begins to explain he did nothing wrong as they both walked to me like two kids caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
toss the red coach, he has no place on the field at this time or point in the game, or probably any game. suggest that the blue coach hold up a second, you really have nothing with him and just deal with the ejection and then tell him nothing is wrong and that hes alright

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So I looked at the Red Team coach , and said "You are the one making the issue out nothing, let talk between innings and keep the game moving" He says "NO!" so the Red Teams’s manager tries to pull him off the field
toss him after saying no, and then toss him again when he needs to be pulled off the field

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I realized he is an idiot.
id say so, hes overstepping his boundaries quite a bit. i hope assistant coaches dont normally pull this crap in your area




the time out thing was kind of funny
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Old Thu Dec 08, 2005, 04:45pm
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The assistant coach do not, however, I was working with new umpire and doing a lower level crap baseball game. I let him run the game, that his job as the Plate Umpire. The other aspect of the game was that the Blue team coaches played for a local JUCO team I umpire in the spring and we knew each other.

When I'm the field umpire I rarely say a word, except with this idiot from the Red Team. I still laugh about this man.

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Old Thu Dec 08, 2005, 05:15pm
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One of the first things you learn at most schools:

NEVER ARGUE WITH ASSISTANT COACHES!
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Old Thu Dec 08, 2005, 06:22pm
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Assistant coaches? I've heard tell of these mythical creatures, but I can honestly say I've never seen one.

I heard they do not exist
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Old Thu Dec 08, 2005, 06:37pm
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Assistant coaches? I've heard tell of these mythical creatures, but I can honestly say I've never seen one.

I heard they do not exist
I can tell you that they do exist, and from my experience, their natural habitat is the parking lot.
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Old Thu Dec 08, 2005, 06:42pm
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Ahh ok, thanks for clearing that up
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Old Fri Dec 09, 2005, 03:02am
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Thomas,

Was the reason you called "obstruction" because the base coach was assisting the runner?

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Old Fri Dec 09, 2005, 12:50pm
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Funniest aftermath

First off the ejection....

Working a PONY level (13-14) tournament late in the game, a player chops at a ball and dribbles it a few feet in front of the plate.....I saw no contact with the batter and signal fair ball......Batter stands in the box and never runs.....Catcher easily fields the ball and throws to first ....Partner rings up the out...

Batter looks at me blinking.....never moved, says the ball hit the plate.........yes...it did....and its a fair ball...a small older "assistant coach" storms out on the field now saying that the ball hit the batter in the box...Needless to say, he goes ape and gets ejected....

now the funny part....

2 weeks later I am in the umpire dressing room at the 2003 PONY World Series changing in between games when the umpire attendant and a number of PONY zone reps come in grinning at me.....all of them want to meet the guy who ejected a PONY Field Director.....

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Old Fri Dec 09, 2005, 12:56pm
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I once heard someone say, "an assistant coach's job is to stand at first and tell runners when to turn left".

They occassionally hand me new baseballs, but rarely bring water. Beyond the exchange of social pleasantries, they do not get spoken to. Assistants do not get to run out on the field to discuss anything.

Except, of course, when the head coach has been ejected.

I had a humorous ejection during a Pony game. During the pre-game the Manager of Team A proudly proclaims that he got to watch the "Jim Evans Balk Video" (thats what he called it). I said to my partner after the Managers left the plate area, "this will be fun".

First inning, Team B gets a lead-off runner on first. Team A righty pitcher looks to his Manager(his dad, I later found out)and they both are smiling like Chesire cats. (Jim Evans Balk video has that affect on people). Pitcher proudly places his lead foot directly on the imaginary 45 degree line. He then proceeds to confidently turn his hips, without a step, and throw to first. "THATS A BALK!" I (in B) yell (grinning like a Chesire cat), "you Second" to the runner.

Now, let the games begin. My partner is looking for a kleenex or a napkin or something to dry his eyes, because he's laughing and trying not to let anyone see. I am glued in the spot I was during the call, expecting the Manager to meet me (I do not walk to talk). The manager runs out yelling "Thats not a BALK!!" repeatedly, but for some reason this manager walks to the foul line and stops (Little League phenomenon I suspect), and proceeds to demand my meeting him there. I calmly beckon him to join me in B. He is dancing in his shoes, much like a child who has to visit the bathroom, he is coming out of his skin. I love it. He sprints to where I am and proceeds to start jumping and waving his hands and yelling, "you can't call that, you don't know what you are doing,you are awful". Well, he said "you" one too many times and is becoming a nuisance, so I EJ him".

I then add, "Coach, the pitcher must step to the base he's throwing to". "Did you watch the whole tape?", His response, "NO".

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Old Fri Dec 09, 2005, 02:13pm
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Thomas,

Perhaps I need to be more clear. No one gets the opportunity to tear out of the dugout and scream at me or my partner(s), I don't care if its the Head Coach, Assistant Coach, AD, Field Director, or whoever. That does NOT happen in my world. Thats an EJ before the culprit reaches me. I turn and walk away, no discussion. I hope my partner(s) then take over and escort the offender from the field.

The Head Coach has the responsibility to represent his/her team on the field, therefore, he/she gets the opportunity to come onto the field and discuss interpretations, rulings, base awards, etc. Those discussions are sometimes heated, but rarely lead to an EJ. An assistant coach does not get that opportunity. If we allowed assitants to argue, then where do we draw the line? We argue with one assistant, then the pitching coach and finally the Head Coach shows up?

I am approachable and courteous. I enjoy what I do and it shows. I will explain, interpret or otherwise discuss calls with assistants between innings, as long as the we are discussing not arguing.

Thomas, how do you interact with coach's?

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Old Fri Dec 09, 2005, 02:48pm
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Coachie

A treat coachie like a co-worker that can't quite be trusted. For that reason I haven't had a funny ejection yet. The fun part is the baseball, overcoming the pressure and getting out alive.

We got guys who get sooooo chummy with the coaches. Gawd, when you walk on the field with one of them and they start making out with the coach, right off the bat you know you are going to be "bad cop".

I've had funny calls and falls but no funny ejections.

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Old Fri Dec 09, 2005, 03:46pm
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Copied, pasted and edited from another thread (since it is my "funniest" ejection)

Once, I had a little "banty rooster" type HS coach charge out to "B" to argue. Man was he quick, too. When he got to me I said, "coach, did you ask for time before coming out?", and he turned around and ran just as fast back to the foul line. He did a military style about-face, said "time?", I said "time!", and he ran right back as fast as he could and starts ripping me a new one. I listened for a bit while he was in my face, then I turned 90 degrees to my right. He quickly got in front of me again and kept screaming. I turned another 90 degrees to my right, same thing happened. I kept turning, and he kept stepping in front of me. By the time I was facing the original way, I had had enough and I tossed him, much to the delight of the crowd. My partner told me later that he couldn't believe the patience I had shown the coach, and that he would have tossed him much sooner. This guy was just too comical to throw out quickly.
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Old Fri Dec 09, 2005, 04:18pm
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Thomas,

If you don't let the coaches cross the foul lines, where do they go to discuss calls with the base umpire? Do you come over to them? I think it looks a whole lot better if you make them come all the way out to you. Don't you?

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Old Fri Dec 09, 2005, 04:22pm
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Cross the lines? You mean the foul lines?

So, you're in A and the coach from the 3rd base dugout wants to discuss something with you, he can't go past the 3rd base foul line to talk? He must walk all around the diamond to get to you in A, while remaining off the playing field, not crossing the 1st base foul line?

Or are you saying that from A you trot across the diamond to engage this coach in a conversation, in the 3rd base coaching box? Sounds like Tee Ball (the program, not the ump) to me.

This makes no sense.

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