Bases awarded

[MT 73]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

You are referencing a batted ball.

507 (e) Comment:
The pitcher, while off the rubber, may throw to any base. If he makes a wild throw, such throw is the throw of an infielder, and what follows is governed by the rules covering a ball thrown by a fielder."

8.01 (e)
If the pitcher removes his pivot foot from contact with the pitcher's plate by stepping backwards with that foot, he hereby becomes an infielder and if he makes a wild throw from that position, it shall be considered the same as a wild throw by ANY other infielder" (emphasis mine)

Ok--show me where the rules state that the first play by an infielder that goes wild is two bases from Time of Throw?
Yes, I am quibbling but with 50% of my games rained out since March 21rst what else do I have time to do?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MT 73

Ok--show me where the rules state that the first play by an infielder that goes wild is two bases from Time of Throw?
Yes, I am quibbling but with 50% of my games rained out since March 21rst what else do I have time to do?

Nobody can show you that. Nobody claimed that was the rule. We are saying that a pick-off throw by the pitcher is a TOT award, not a TOP award.

[LRZ]

MT73, how could it be TOP when there is no pitch?

[john5396]

MT73, FED 8-3-5 defines first play by an infielder to be a play on a batted ball.

So F1 who steps off and overthrows is not a "first Play" situation with TOP, but rather TOT for any fielder making a throw which is not first play by an infielder on a batted ball.

[OhioTex]

I believe Rich Ives covered it with MLB. 5.06(b)(4)(G), covers first play by an infielder at the time the ball was pitched and all other at the time the wild throw was made

MLB. 5.06(b)(4)(G)

5.06 [7.0] Running the Bases (b) Advancing Bases

(4) [7.05] Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out, advance:

(G)Two bases when, with no spectators on the playing field, a thrown ball goes into the stands, or into a bench (whether or not the ball rebounds into the field), or over or under or through a field fence, or on a slanting part of the screen above the backstop, or remains in the meshes of a wire screen protecting spectators. The ball is dead. When such wild throw is the first play by an infielder, the umpire, in awarding such bases, shall be governed by the position of the runners at the time the ball was pitched; [B]in all other cases the umpire shall be governed by the position of the runners at the time the wild throw was made