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Old Mon Apr 24, 2017, 02:30pm
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Just want to make sure I am reading the rules right.

R1 on first. F1 comes set and a) legally makes a pickoff move to first b) steps off the pitchers plate and then throws to first base. In both cases, the ball goes into deadball territory.


A) runner is awarded 2nd base
B) runner is awarded 3rd base


Correct?
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Old Mon Apr 24, 2017, 06:31pm
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Once the pitcher steps off the rubber he is an infielder, so the award is 2 bases from time of pitch.
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Old Mon Apr 24, 2017, 08:03pm
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Once the pitcher steps off the rubber he is an infielder, so the award is 2 bases from time of pitch.
? Hmm
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Old Mon Apr 24, 2017, 09:51pm
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? Hmm
Hmmm what? It's true. See 5.06(b )(4)(G); 5.06(b )(4)(H); 5.07(e )
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Old Mon Apr 24, 2017, 10:46pm
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Hmmm what? It's true. See 5.06(b )(4)(G); 5.06(b )(4)(H); 5.07(e )
It is true. Per the previous pitch. But Hmmmm, how would we rule if R1 stoled 2B and F1 sailed a pickoff over 2B and through the center fielder's legs and the gate in centerfield? Unlikely of course. And the same sitch with R2 stealing 3B, more likely but who cares. Two bases from 2B is all he needs.
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Old Mon Apr 24, 2017, 11:38pm
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It is true. Per the previous pitch. But Hmmmm, how would we rule if R1 stole 2B and F1 sailed a pick-off over 2B and through the center fielder's legs and the gate in center field? Unlikely of course. And the same sitch with R2 stealing 3B, more likely but who cares. Two bases from 2B is all he needs.
One or two bases depending if in contact or not - time of throw.
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Old Tue Apr 25, 2017, 06:25am
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Old Tue Apr 25, 2017, 07:32am
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Hmmm what? It's true. See 5.06(b )(4)(G); 5.06(b )(4)(H); 5.07(e )
I think he was (properly) questioning the use of the word "pitch" in conjunction with F1 who threw to first base. It should have been "time of throw."
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Old Tue Apr 25, 2017, 09:31am
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I think he was (properly) questioning the use of the word "pitch" in conjunction with F1 who threw to first base. It should have been "time of throw."
Thanks Bob!

TOT, not TOP!
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Old Tue Apr 25, 2017, 06:55pm
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OBR has time of pitch and TOT awards for awarded bases.
Since the first throw by an infielder is awarded from time of pitch would this not also apply to the pitcher, even though no pitch was thrown?
You are referencing a batted ball.
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Old Tue Apr 25, 2017, 07:21pm
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You are referencing a batted ball.
507 (e) Comment:
The pitcher, while off the rubber, may throw to any base. If he makes a wild throw, such throw is the throw of an infielder, and what follows is governed by the rules covering a ball thrown by a fielder."

8.01 (e)
If the pitcher removes his pivot foot from contact with the pitcher's plate by stepping backwards with that foot, he hereby becomes an infielder and if he makes a wild throw from that position, it shall be considered the same as a wild throw by ANY other infielder" (emphasis mine)

Ok--show me where the rules state that the first play by an infielder that goes wild is two bases from Time of Throw?
Yes, I am quibbling but with 50% of my games rained out since March 21rst what else do I have time to do?

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Old Wed Apr 26, 2017, 07:34am
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Ok--show me where the rules state that the first play by an infielder that goes wild is two bases from Time of Throw?
Yes, I am quibbling but with 50% of my games rained out since March 21rst what else do I have time to do?
Nobody can show you that. Nobody claimed that was the rule. We are saying that a pick-off throw by the pitcher is a TOT award, not a TOP award.
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Old Wed Apr 26, 2017, 09:22am
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MT73, how could it be TOP when there is no pitch?
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Old Wed Apr 26, 2017, 12:45pm
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MT73, FED 8-3-5 defines first play by an infielder to be a play on a batted ball.

So F1 who steps off and overthrows is not a "first Play" situation with TOP, but rather TOT for any fielder making a throw which is not first play by an infielder on a batted ball.
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