Bases awarded

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Hmmm what? It's true. See 5.06(b )(4)(G); 5.06(b )(4)(H); 5.07(e )

I think he was (properly) questioning the use of the word "pitch" in conjunction with F1 who threw to first base. It should have been "time of throw."

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think he was (properly) questioning the use of the word "pitch" in conjunction with F1 who threw to first base. It should have been "time of throw."

Thanks Bob!

TOT, not TOP!

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by MT 73

OBR has time of pitch and TOT awards for awarded bases.
Since the first throw by an infielder is awarded from time of pitch would this not also apply to the pitcher, even though no pitch was thrown?

You are referencing a batted ball.

[MT 73]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

You are referencing a batted ball.

507 (e) Comment:
The pitcher, while off the rubber, may throw to any base. If he makes a wild throw, such throw is the throw of an infielder, and what follows is governed by the rules covering a ball thrown by a fielder."

8.01 (e)
If the pitcher removes his pivot foot from contact with the pitcher's plate by stepping backwards with that foot, he hereby becomes an infielder and if he makes a wild throw from that position, it shall be considered the same as a wild throw by ANY other infielder" (emphasis mine)

Ok--show me where the rules state that the first play by an infielder that goes wild is two bases from Time of Throw?
Yes, I am quibbling but with 50% of my games rained out since March 21rst what else do I have time to do?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MT 73

Ok--show me where the rules state that the first play by an infielder that goes wild is two bases from Time of Throw?
Yes, I am quibbling but with 50% of my games rained out since March 21rst what else do I have time to do?

Nobody can show you that. Nobody claimed that was the rule. We are saying that a pick-off throw by the pitcher is a TOT award, not a TOP award.

[LRZ]

MT73, how could it be TOP when there is no pitch?

[john5396]

MT73, FED 8-3-5 defines first play by an infielder to be a play on a batted ball.

So F1 who steps off and overthrows is not a "first Play" situation with TOP, but rather TOT for any fielder making a throw which is not first play by an infielder on a batted ball.