Bases awarded

[BSBAL18]

Just want to make sure I am reading the rules right.

R1 on first. F1 comes set and a) legally makes a pickoff move to first b) steps off the pitchers plate and then throws to first base. In both cases, the ball goes into deadball territory.


A) runner is awarded 2nd base
B) runner is awarded 3rd base


Correct?

[rcaverly]

Like Big Ed would say, "You are correct, Johnny."

[MT 73]

Once the pitcher steps off the rubber he is an infielder, so the award is 2 bases from time of pitch.

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by MT 73

Once the pitcher steps off the rubber he is an infielder, so the award is 2 bases from time of pitch.

? Hmm

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

? Hmm

Hmmm what? It's true. See 5.06(b )(4)(G); 5.06(b )(4)(H); 5.07(e )

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Hmmm what? It's true. See 5.06(b )(4)(G); 5.06(b )(4)(H); 5.07(e )

It is true. Per the previous pitch. But Hmmmm, how would we rule if R1 stoled 2B and F1 sailed a pickoff over 2B and through the center fielder's legs and the gate in centerfield? Unlikely of course. And the same sitch with R2 stealing 3B, more likely but who cares. Two bases from 2B is all he needs.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by umpjim

It is true. Per the previous pitch. But Hmmmm, how would we rule if R1 stole 2B and F1 sailed a pick-off over 2B and through the center fielder's legs and the gate in center field? Unlikely of course. And the same sitch with R2 stealing 3B, more likely but who cares. Two bases from 2B is all he needs.

One or two bases depending if in contact or not - time of throw.

[CT1]

"One from the rubber, two from the field."

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Hmmm what? It's true. See 5.06(b )(4)(G); 5.06(b )(4)(H); 5.07(e )

I think he was (properly) questioning the use of the word "pitch" in conjunction with F1 who threw to first base. It should have been "time of throw."

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think he was (properly) questioning the use of the word "pitch" in conjunction with F1 who threw to first base. It should have been "time of throw."

Thanks Bob!

TOT, not TOP!

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by MT 73

OBR has time of pitch and TOT awards for awarded bases.
Since the first throw by an infielder is awarded from time of pitch would this not also apply to the pitcher, even though no pitch was thrown?

You are referencing a batted ball.

[MT 73]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

You are referencing a batted ball.

507 (e) Comment:
The pitcher, while off the rubber, may throw to any base. If he makes a wild throw, such throw is the throw of an infielder, and what follows is governed by the rules covering a ball thrown by a fielder."

8.01 (e)
If the pitcher removes his pivot foot from contact with the pitcher's plate by stepping backwards with that foot, he hereby becomes an infielder and if he makes a wild throw from that position, it shall be considered the same as a wild throw by ANY other infielder" (emphasis mine)

Ok--show me where the rules state that the first play by an infielder that goes wild is two bases from Time of Throw?
Yes, I am quibbling but with 50% of my games rained out since March 21rst what else do I have time to do?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MT 73

Ok--show me where the rules state that the first play by an infielder that goes wild is two bases from Time of Throw?
Yes, I am quibbling but with 50% of my games rained out since March 21rst what else do I have time to do?

Nobody can show you that. Nobody claimed that was the rule. We are saying that a pick-off throw by the pitcher is a TOT award, not a TOP award.

[LRZ]

MT73, how could it be TOP when there is no pitch?

[john5396]

MT73, FED 8-3-5 defines first play by an infielder to be a play on a batted ball.

So F1 who steps off and overthrows is not a "first Play" situation with TOP, but rather TOT for any fielder making a throw which is not first play by an infielder on a batted ball.