Protected batter-runner returning to first base on base on balls

[jodibuck]

In NFHS baseball, once the batter-runner touches first base on a base on balls award, he is no longer protected. If he continues past the base as you would on a base hit down the first base line, he would be subject to be put out. Is this also true in NFHS softball?

[BretMan]

No, it's not the same in FED softball. This is just one of the many odball baseball interpretations that FED has adopted.

[CecilOne]

Yeah, we know that a BR is a BR.

[jmkupka]

Just reading this for my entertainment ( I don't do Fed ball)...

We are talking about BR running through the bag towards RF, right?

I ask because on a base hit down the 1B line, BR would likely be rounding the bag, unless there's a play at 1B (BB or SB)...

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BretMan

No, it's not the same in FED softball. This is just one of the many odball baseball interpretations that FED has adopted.

No, baseball is not the odd ruling. Allowing the B/R to over run 1B when first trying to acquire 1B on a batted ball or an uncut third strike is a logical rule because it allows the B/R to run as fast as possible without attempting to go to another base. It is not logical for a B/R to be allowed to over run 1B on a walk because the B/R is being awarded 1B for being walked; in this case there is not reason for a B/R to over run 1B except to attempt to go to 2B.

Therefore I submit to you that the NFHS Softball rule is the oddball rule.

MTD, Sr.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

No, baseball is not the odd ruling. Allowing the B/R to over run 1B when first trying to acquire 1B on a batted ball or an uncut third strike is a logical rule because it allows the B/R to run as fast as possible without attempting to go to another base. It is not logical for a B/R to be allowed to over run 1B on a walk because the B/R is being awarded 1B for being walked; in this case there is not reason for a B/R to over run 1B except to attempt to go to 2B.

Therefore I submit to you that the NFHS Softball rule is the oddball rule.

MTD, Sr.

OBR (and its derivatives) and NCAA allow the overrun on a BB. Apparent;y SB does too. So as far as I can tell FED baseball is the ONLY place you cannot.

If ball 4 is a WP do you not want to run to 1B on the chance your 1B coach will send you to 2B? So if he holds you why not be able to overrun as a recovery?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

OBR (and its derivatives) and NCAA allow the overrun on a BB. Apparent;y SB does too. So as far as I can tell FED baseball is the ONLY place you cannot.

If ball 4 is a WP do you not want to run to 1B on the chance your 1B coach will send you to 2B? So if he holds you why not be able to overrun as a recovery?

Of course but only if you intend to round 1B and make a move to attempt to go to 2B.

MTD, Sr.

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

No, baseball is not the odd ruling. Allowing the B/R to over run 1B when first trying to acquire 1B on a batted ball or an uncut third strike is a logical rule because it allows the B/R to run as fast as possible without attempting to go to another base. It is not logical for a B/R to be allowed to over run 1B on a walk because the B/R is being awarded 1B for being walked; in this case there is not reason for a B/R to over run 1B except to attempt to go to 2B.

Therefore I submit to you that the NFHS Softball rule is the oddball rule.

MTD, Sr.

Compare this rule for every baseball and softball sanctioning body you can think of, from the Little Leagues to the Major Leagues.

How many prohibit a batter-runner from overrunning first base on a walk?

Just one that I know of. So I'd call that single one the odd man out!

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Of course but only if you intend to round 1B and make a move to attempt to go to 2B.

MTD, Sr.

Or MIGHT go to 2nd, so get to 1st quickly. Also, why not overrun even slowly if you want to, a good habit for U3K or batted ball.

[AtlUmpSteve]

By rule, a batter becomes a batter-runner when the at-bat is complete and not put out; put the ball in play, received ball 4, or uncaught third strike (proper conditions).

By rule, batter-runners can overrun first base without jeopardy unless making an attempt to second base.

So why would some batter-runners NOT have the same rights as other batter-runners? It a foolish and illogical exception in NFHS baseball, IMO. Consistency should be the goal of like and similar rules.