Between innings warm up issue

[Andy]

This situation came up in a HS Varsity game yesterday:

Middle of the first inning, visiting team is taking the field on defense, pitcher is taking her warm up throws, coach comes out of the dugout with a bat and ball and begins hitting grounders to a substitute player in front of the dugout in foul territory.

I had never seen this before, neither my partner or I could think of any rule basis to not allow the coach to hit grounders to a sub player so we didn't say anything. The only time this happened was in the middle of the first inning. Any rule basis to not allow this practice?

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by Andy

This situation came up in a HS Varsity game yesterday:

Middle of the first inning, visiting team is taking the field on defense, pitcher is taking her warm up throws, coach comes out of the dugout with a bat and ball and begins hitting grounders to a substitute player in front of the dugout in foul territory.

I had never seen this before, neither my partner or I could think of any rule basis to not allow the coach to hit grounders to a sub player so we didn't say anything. The only time this happened was in the middle of the first inning. Any rule basis to not allow this practice?

NFHS 3-6-4: Hitting the ball to teammates on defense is prohibited after the game has started.
3-6-6 Only the . . . or one of the nine players on defense are premitted to be outside the designated dugout/bench or designated warm-up areas.

The note on 3-6-6 allows for "throwing" and "running" activities, but since "fielding" is not mentioned, it is excluded (and hit prohibited in 3-6-4).

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Andy

This situation came up in a HS Varsity game yesterday:

Middle of the first inning, visiting team is taking the field on defense, pitcher is taking her warm up throws, coach comes out of the dugout with a bat and ball and begins hitting grounders to a substitute player in front of the dugout in foul territory.

I had never seen this before, neither my partner or I could think of any rule basis to not allow the coach to hit grounders to a sub player so we didn't say anything. The only time this happened was in the middle of the first inning. Any rule basis to not allow this practice?

Originally Posted by Big Slick

NFHS 3-6-4: Hitting the ball to teammates on defense is prohibited after the game has started.
3-6-6 Only the . . . or one of the nine players on defense are premitted to be outside the designated dugout/bench or designated warm-up areas.

The note on 3-6-6 allows for "throwing" and "running" activities, but since "fielding" is not mentioned, it is excluded (and hit prohibited in 3-6-4).

Also, Case Ruling 3.6.4 SITUATION:

The coach of Team A hits balls to the infield or the outfield while F1 is warming up at the start of an inning.

RULING: There shall be no balls hit to any fielders following pregame infield/outfield practice. The umpire shall issue a warning to the coach of Team A with any subsequent offender being restricted to the bench/dugout for the remainder of the game.

[Andy]

I was aware of 3-6-4, but felt it did not apply since the player taking the ground balls was not on defense, she was a sub. I think I can use 3-6-6, Note: Bench personnel are permitted to engage in throwing and running activities during the one minute designated for the pitcher to throw her five warm up pitches at the beginning of each half inning

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Andy

I was aware of 3-6-4, but felt it did not apply since the player taking the ground balls was not on defense, she was a sub. I think I can use 3-6-6, Note: Bench personnel are permitted to engage in throwing and running activities during the one minute designated for the pitcher to throw her five warm up pitches at the beginning of each half inning

Isn't the team "on defense" the team whose turn it is to be in the field?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Isn't the team "on defense" the team whose turn it is to be in the field?

So that means it cannot be done while the team is in the field, but can by a coach of a team preparing to bat?

[prab]

Try looking at it this way:

Worst case scenario if you prohibit this activity is an upset coach.

Worst case scenario if you allow this activity, injury followed by umpire(s) becoming defendants in a civil suit.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

So that means it cannot be done while the team is in the field, but can by a coach of a team preparing to bat?

My comment was in relation to the very narrow issue of sub vs. active player; specific to the case at hand.

Of course, good point about not considering broader implications.