ball deflected off dugout or fence back fair?

[roadking]

I have never understood why a batted ball can be called fair when its hits off the fence or dugout and deflects back into fair territory. Can anyone give me the rationale for allowing this.

[JefferMC]

I agree. It was dead when it hit the fence.

[NCASAUmp]

From the definition of a foul ball (according to ASA):

Foul Ball: A battle ball that:

A...
B...
C...
D. While over foul territory, touches the person, attached or detached equipment or clothing of a player or an umpire, or any object foreign to the natural ground.

Unless the hippies have finally won and can make a dugout out of earth and clay, a dugout and fence are foreign to the natural ground.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by roadking

I have never understood why a batted ball can be called fair when its hits off the fence or dugout and deflects back into fair territory. Can anyone give me the rationale for allowing this.

Unless the fence is in fair territory, Who calls it fair?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by roadking

I have never understood why a batted ball can be called fair when its hits off the fence or dugout and deflects back into fair territory. Can anyone give me the rationale for allowing this.

Untrained umps.

[roadking]

NCAA...home team ground rules, some teams declare the face of the dug out in play when ball deflects back into fair territory between home and first and home and third?

[WES_CT_UMP]

That's for thrown balls. I have never ever heard of batted balls deflecting off of any foreign object being ruled fair.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by WES_CT_UMP

That's for thrown balls. I have never ever heard of batted balls deflecting off of any foreign object being ruled fair.

I have... When the foreign object was in fair territory.

Beyond that, no way.

[Gulf Coast Blue]

Originally Posted by roadking

NCAA...home team ground rules, some teams declare the face of the dug out in play when ball deflects back into fair territory between home and first and home and third?

And who would these home teams be that have these ground rules? I would have to see some verification of this.

Joel

edited for puctuation.

[roadking]

Originally Posted by WES_CT_UMP

That's for thrown balls. I have never ever heard of batted balls deflecting off of any foreign object being ruled fair.

A thrown balls makes more sense, I either misunderstood the rule interpretation from another umpire or was just given the wrong info., I found it hard to swallow this would be allowed. Thanks

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by roadking

NCAA...home team ground rules, some teams declare the face of the dug out in play when ball deflects back into fair territory between home and first and home and third?

Originally Posted by WES_CT_UMP

That's for thrown balls. I have never ever heard of batted balls deflecting off of any foreign object being ruled fair.

Originally Posted by roadking

A thrown balls makes more sense, I either misunderstood the rule interpretation from another umpire or was just given the wrong info., I found it hard to swallow this would be allowed. Thanks

However, on a thrown ball, it doesn't matter if it deflects into fair or foul territory. It only matters that it stays in live ball territory without ever having been in a dead ball area.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

However, on a thrown ball, it doesn't matter if it deflects into fair or foul territory. It only matters that it stays in live ball territory without ever having been in a dead ball area.

Yeah, I don't think even YSISF has a foul thrown ball.

[Stevetheump]

The ONLY way someone can make that type of interpretation is that they do not understand the fair/foul rule. It is a FOUL ball as soon as it touches the fence/dugout.

[jmkupka]

I have to assume you are mistaking fair/foul with live ball/out of play.

At a recent ground rules pre-game discussion, it was determined that, because there was a step up into the dugout (the step was flush with the dugout opening), if the ball hits the face of the step, it is out of play.

Different fields, different ground rules. But the OP can't really mean fair/foul.

[Dakota]