NFHS: Situations from Tonight & Rules Support?

[youngump]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Edited. I meant a batter awarded 1st base on a hit by pitch strike.

K, now it's clear what you meant. And we definitely agree on that. What we disagree on is whether a pitch that passes through the strike zone and then strikes the batter who is not in the strike zone is a strike. I've cited the rules I believe are relevant above.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by youngump

K, now it's clear what you meant. And we definitely agree on that. What we disagree on is whether a pitch that passes through the strike zone and then strikes the batter who is not in the strike zone is a strike. I've cited the rules I believe are relevant above.

ART. 2 . . . A batter is awarded first base when:
b. (F.P.) a pitched ball is entirely within the batter’s box and it strikes the batter or her clothing. No attempt to avoid being hit by the pitch is required. However, the batter may not obviously try to get hit by the pitch.


[youngump]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

ART. 2 . . . A batter is awarded first base when:
b. (F.P.) a pitched ball is entirely within the batter’s box and it strikes the batter or her clothing. No attempt to avoid being hit by the pitch is required. However, the batter may not obviously try to get hit by the pitch.


I'm on your side here but I think the rules are a little more ambiguous than you're giving the other side credit for. Here's the problem almost every rule in those sections doesn't make exceptions for another listed thing happening. In particular this rule doesn't say it doesn't apply if the batter swings but we know from another rule that it doesn't. Similarly the rule that says it's a strike if the ball passes through the strike zone doesn't have an exception for hitting the batter.
I don't realistically think they could make it any clearer without making it way too long.

[MD Longhorn]

If the obstruction before but near first base cause the runner to round wide, she was still obstructed between first and second, and should be protected.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

If the obstruction before but near first base cause the runner to round wide, she was still obstructed between first and second, and should be protected.

Is that documented and is it because a BR can't go backward?

[youngump]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Is that documented and is it because a BR can't go backward?

I don't know where this might be written down and it has nothing to do with not being able to retreat (which is only to avoid a tag anyway). I judge player to be obstructed for the amount of time that they are immediately affected by the obstruction. So a player tripped on her way to first who lands before the bag is obstructed between home and 1st. A player tripped on her way to first who lands past the bag is obstructed between home and 1st and between 1st and 2nd.
If you don't judge it that way you have quite the problem because the latter runner would otherwise be in advance of the base they would have reached absent the obstruction and not in the segment they were obstructed in which means they could be put out. I see it the same way for a player rounding a base.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by youngump

I don't know where this might be written down and it has nothing to do with not being able to retreat (which is only to avoid a tag anyway).

I KNOW about the BR tag play INT; trying to see why before 1st is different than other bases.

Originally Posted by youngump

I judge player to be obstructed for the amount of time that they are immediately affected by the obstruction. So a player tripped on her way to first who lands before the bag is obstructed between home and 1st. A player tripped on her way to first who lands past the bag is obstructed between home and 1st and between 1st and 2nd.
If you don't judge it that way you have quite the problem because the latter runner would otherwise be in advance of the base they would have reached absent the obstruction and not in the segment they were obstructed in which means they could be put out. I see it the same way for a player rounding a base.

Why not by where the OBS occurs?

A runner rounding a base is part of continuing, once they have reached it (i.e. at the base), so the OBS can apply to the next "between".

I don't see " the latter runner would otherwise be in advance of the base they would have reached absent the obstruction and not in the segment they were obstructed in which means they could be put out" as a problem.