NFHS question on playing shorthanded

[varefump]

To the question: "A related, but separate question: If a player leaves the game due to injury, can she return to the game later, perhaps even after having had an out called in her batting order position?", Theresia Wynns at NFHS says that a player cannot come back in if she has gone out because of injury and the team had to play short-handed. However, if a team member shows up to the game and has not been in the game already, then she could take the injured player's spot in the line-up and the team could finish with nine.

[CecilOne]

Think "batting order" as "lineup" without FLEX.
The rules were written before FLEX, so the logic is the same with "batting order" meaning all in game except the FLEX.
NOTE: The FLEX can not play defense for an injured player, except the DP.

I believe that is true for both ASA & NFHS, probably USSSA & PONY.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by varefump

To the question: "A related, but separate question: If a player leaves the game due to injury, can she return to the game later, perhaps even after having had an out called in her batting order position?", Theresia Wynns at NFHS says that a player cannot come back in if she has gone out because of injury and the team had to play short-handed. However, if a team member shows up to the game and has not been in the game already, then she could take the injured player's spot in the line-up and the team could finish with nine.

I think the blood rule is an exception. Does your source provide a rule reference? Is there a case play I may have missed?

Thanx.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

I think the blood rule is an exception. Does your source provide a rule reference? Is there a case play I may have missed?

Thanx.

Blood rule when treatment required is separate from the shorthanded rule, re-entry is allowed. Try 3-3-10.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Blood rule when treatment required is separate from the shorthanded rule, re-entry is allowed. Try 3-3-10.

I'll take that as your opinion, as I interpret these entities differently.

Article 5 Any player, starter or substitute may be withdrawn from the game and re-entered once, provided such player occupies the same batting position whenever in the lineup.

So, unless this player's withdrawal brings the team to less than 8, the game continues. The rule doesn't say this "withdrawal" requires a substitute. (Although if one were available, I'd guess it would make sense to utilize said sub.)

The bottom of your 3-3-10 states: The re-entry rule would apply to players take out of the game for this rule. (I.E. blood rule)

A few years ago, rightly or wrongly, I did allow an offensive player who had become injured to leave the game. The team started the game w/ 9. They played for 2 innings with 8 on defense. When the girl's spot in the order came up, she had recovered enough to play again. I let her bat, and she finished the game playing defense the rest of the way.

Was that wrong? (For NFHS)

[Tru_in_Blu]

We had our state interpreter check w/ Federation office. This is what he sent me after hearing back from them:

"Hi Ted. Finally heard back from Federation. If a team goes short handed due to an injury and that player later in the game can return, it is legal for them to reenter the game in the same batting spot."

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

We had our state interpreter check w/ Federation office. This is what he sent me after hearing back from them:

"Hi Ted. Finally heard back from Federation. If a team goes short handed due to an injury and that player later in the game can return, it is legal for them to reenter the game in the same batting spot."

I guess we have to give them credit for interpreting a non-existent rule.
The rules never prohibit the player from returning regardless of the reason.
Shorthanded should be elaborated in NFHS, as I have said before.

Also, no wording whether the re-entry rule applies.

BUT, re-entry applies to the blood rule.

So, by this interpretation, a player can leave the lineup, return later. Then a second player can leave and return and so on. YUK!

[Tru_in_Blu]

Well, there's sort of a rule that I stated before:

Article 5 Any player, starter or substitute may be withdrawn from the game and re-entered once, provided such player occupies the same batting position whenever in the lineup.