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Old Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:41am
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Actually MD, the rule itself (not the exception) does explicitly allow for throwing around the horn after a strikeout.

"The catcher shall return the ball directly to the pitcher after each pitch, except
after a strikeout,..."

(from the only online book I can find right now, the 2009 version-hope the wording hasn't changed)

And regarding Manny's comment, the exception doesn't mention a runner trying to steal (or getting a big lead), simply a runner on base.

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Old Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:30pm
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And regarding Manny's comment, the exception doesn't mention a runner trying to steal (or getting a big lead), simply a runner on base.
So, in an ASA game, with a runner on first base, the catcher throws the ball to F5 at third after the first pitch of Ball to the batter. You're suggesting that we completely ignore it.
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Old Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:45pm
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Don't see anything in that rule that let's us do otherwise. Not to say elsewhere in the book mentions game-delaying tactics...
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Old Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:53pm
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So, in an ASA game, with a runner on first base, the catcher throws the ball to F5 at third after the first pitch of Ball to the batter. You're suggesting that we completely ignore it.
What exactly are you suggesting? Teams do what you're saying, and it's a problem? In 22 years I've never seen that happen. What's the ACTUAL problem you're worried about here.

All I was saying before was that the actions you described are not even remotely against the rules. Stupid? Yeah, maybe - why make a needless throw when you've got a runner on 2nd when there are smarter ways to stop her? And does your plan backfire when you throw it into left field?

But illegal? Not at all.
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Old Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:29pm
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What exactly are you suggesting? Teams do what you're saying, and it's a problem? In 22 years I've never seen that happen. What's the ACTUAL problem you're worried about here.
I'm not worried about anything. I'm merely bringing up another disparity in the rules, and was simply inquiring why.
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Old Tue Jun 17, 2014, 07:42pm
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I'm not worried about anything. I'm merely bringing up another disparity in the rules, and was simply inquiring why.
There is no disparity in the rule. The rule clearly states it is not applicable with runners on base. That's it, pretty straight forward. Been that way for at least 48 years.

To start, it is a stupid play. Other than to put out a stealing runner or to pick-off a runner, throwing to any player other than the pitcher is just dumb. Sort of gives you an idea of how smart the coaches are when it is permitted.
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Old Tue Jun 17, 2014, 07:46pm
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I'm not worried about anything. I'm merely bringing up another disparity in the rules, and was simply inquiring why.
It may be slightly different, but I don't see a major discrepancy here. The catcher cannot throw to someone other than the pitcher unless there is a runner (in which case there is no excluded place to throw), or after a strike out. Whatever reason the catcher uses with a baserunner is legal, even if we think it has no point; we are not supposed to be judging the quality of their "strategy".

The rule is intended solely as a speed-up rule. In earlier years, especially in the men's fastpitch games, catchers routinely threw the ball to any other infielder, not the pitcher; after EVERY PITCH. That infielder then carried the ball to the pitcher, spoke with him, did everything but the current female-version pattycake, THEN handed him the ball. As umpires, we could not even start a "time between pitches" count until the pitcher got the ball, no matter how long it took, without being that OOO no one wants to be. This rule fixed that; with no runners, the catcher has to return it to the pitcher, and we can start a timing count, if one is needed.

If you feel a team is using tactics designed solely to kill time, reference THAT in addressing it, and not the specifics of this rule. The threat of a forfeit carries a LOT more weight than an awarded ball.
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Old Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:26pm
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So, in an ASA game, with a runner on first base, the catcher throws the ball to F5 at third after the first pitch of Ball to the batter. You're suggesting that we completely ignore it.
Yup.
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Yup.
Ditto that.
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So, in an ASA game, with a runner on first base, the catcher throws the ball to F5 at third after the first pitch of Ball to the batter. You're suggesting that we completely ignore it.
yes - its nothing
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