F2 Throws to F5 to Hold R2

[jmkupka]

6.7.B Exception doesn't restrict F2 to whom she must throw (if not to F1).

No different than F2 throwing to an in-close F4 when there's a 1st & 3rd situation...

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

6.7.B Exception doesn't restrict F2 to whom she must throw (if not to F1).

No different than F2 throwing to an in-close F4 when there's a 1st & 3rd situation...

But in that case, the throw is made toward second as R1 is headed there, and F4 cuts the throw off. That is easily justifiable as an attempt to make a play on R1.

And I'm a bit mystified by the ASA exception you mention. If there was a runner at first base, and F2 throws the ball to third, that would clearly be a violation under other rule sets (NFHS 6-3-2, NCAA 10.16, perhaps others) since there is no way in hell that can be construed as "a play on a base runner".

But the ASA exception doesn't say anything about a play on a runner. It just says as long as there is a runner on a base, the exception applies. Or does it? Is the intent of the wording to imply the throw is to make a play on that runner or not?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

But in that case, the throw is made toward second as R1 is headed there, and F4 cuts the throw off. That is easily justifiable as an attempt to make a play on R1.

And I'm a bit mystified by the ASA exception you mention. If there was a runner at first base, and F2 throws the ball to third, that would clearly be a violation under other rule sets (NFHS 6-3-2, NCAA 10.16, perhaps others) since there is no way in hell that can be construed as "a play on a base runner".

But the ASA exception doesn't say anything about a play on a runner. It just says as long as there is a runner on a base, the exception applies. Or does it? Is the intent of the wording to imply the throw is to make a play on that runner or not?

The rule is not intended for what you're trying to do to it. It doesn't apply with runners on base. ASA doesn't care whether it's a play or not.

The rule prevents catchers from throwing around the horn on strikeouts or otherwise wasting time after a pitch with no one on base. That's all it's for.

[jmkupka]

Actually MD, the rule itself (not the exception) does explicitly allow for throwing around the horn after a strikeout.

"The catcher shall return the ball directly to the pitcher after each pitch, except
after a strikeout,..."

(from the only online book I can find right now, the 2009 version-hope the wording hasn't changed)

And regarding Manny's comment, the exception doesn't mention a runner trying to steal (or getting a big lead), simply a runner on base.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

And regarding Manny's comment, the exception doesn't mention a runner trying to steal (or getting a big lead), simply a runner on base.

So, in an ASA game, with a runner on first base, the catcher throws the ball to F5 at third after the first pitch of Ball to the batter. You're suggesting that we completely ignore it.

[jmkupka]

Don't see anything in that rule that let's us do otherwise. Not to say elsewhere in the book mentions game-delaying tactics...

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

So, in an ASA game, with a runner on first base, the catcher throws the ball to F5 at third after the first pitch of Ball to the batter. You're suggesting that we completely ignore it.

What exactly are you suggesting? Teams do what you're saying, and it's a problem? In 22 years I've never seen that happen. What's the ACTUAL problem you're worried about here.

All I was saying before was that the actions you described are not even remotely against the rules. Stupid? Yeah, maybe - why make a needless throw when you've got a runner on 2nd when there are smarter ways to stop her? And does your plan backfire when you throw it into left field?

But illegal? Not at all.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

What exactly are you suggesting? Teams do what you're saying, and it's a problem? In 22 years I've never seen that happen. What's the ACTUAL problem you're worried about here.

I'm not worried about anything. I'm merely bringing up another disparity in the rules, and was simply inquiring why.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Manny A

So, in an ASA game, with a runner on first base, the catcher throws the ball to F5 at third after the first pitch of Ball to the batter. You're suggesting that we completely ignore it.

Yup.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Yup.

Ditto that.

[3afan]

Originally Posted by Manny A

So, in an ASA game, with a runner on first base, the catcher throws the ball to F5 at third after the first pitch of Ball to the batter. You're suggesting that we completely ignore it.

yes - its nothing