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Old Sat May 31, 2014, 01:37pm
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how many outs do you have?
No outs, runner on 3rd, 3-2 count on batter, on the pitch R1 at 3 steals for home, strike 3 is dropped by F2,* R1 sees she will be put out at home runs back to 3rd and gets caught in a run-down, Batter enters the dugout, R1 is then tagged out by F5. How many outs are there? ASA? NFHS?
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Unless I'm missing something, this seems pretty straightforward. I can't imagine what you may be thinking that would lead to any other conclusion but two outs.
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I think it is something we miss frequently, what is it?
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In fed the ball is dead when the batter runner enters the dugout.
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Old Sat May 31, 2014, 03:20pm
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In fed the ball is dead when the batter runner enters the dugout.
rule cite ?
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Old Sat May 31, 2014, 03:32pm
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8-2-4 Penalty The ball is dead and the runner(s) must return to the last base touched at the time of the infraction.
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Old Sat May 31, 2014, 04:20pm
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The ball is dead in ASA also. 8-2D Effect. One out, runner is returned to third.
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Old Sat May 31, 2014, 04:23pm
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8-2-d effect says slow pitch
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Old Sat May 31, 2014, 04:48pm
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8-2-d effect says slow pitch
That's under EXCEPTION. It is listed as EFFECT Section 2D-H, and is listed after rule H on p. 86.
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Old Sat May 31, 2014, 04:49pm
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8-2-d effect says slow pitch
No, it doesn't
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Old Sat May 31, 2014, 04:50pm
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That's under EXCEPTION. It is listed as EFFECT Section 2D-H, and is listed after rule H on p. 86.
And the Exception is to the out ruling, nothing else
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And the Exception is to the out ruling, nothing else
So in slow pitch if there is a force and this happens, the ball is live. Is that what the exception is saying?
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Old Sat May 31, 2014, 04:59pm
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No, it doesn't

What is the (Slow Pitch) right next to the exception then under D?

As for the ball being dead, the last case book I have access to is from 2007 and in every instance in the case book for fast pitch when a player enters the team area it indicates the ball remains live. Have they changed the rule in the book since 2007?
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What is the (Slow Pitch) right next to the exception then under D?

As for the ball being dead, the last case book I have access to is from 2007 and in every instance in the case book for fast pitch when a player enters the team area it indicates the ball remains live. Have they changed the rule in the book since 2007?
It is to allow for HRs where the batter-runner is not required to run the bases, but simply go to the dugout.

The rule itself is a bad rule. And we've had this discussion before where it could deprive the defense of effecting additional outs on the play.

And, again, there was a proposal a few years back to keep the ball live that was summarily dismissed by the committees.
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I don't have an ASA book, it is dead NFHS. So Fast Pitch ASA it is also dead?
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