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agr8zebra Sat May 31, 2014 01:37pm

how many outs do you have?
 
No outs, runner on 3rd, 3-2 count on batter, on the pitch R1 at 3 steals for home, strike 3 is dropped by F2,* R1 sees she will be put out at home runs back to 3rd and gets caught in a run-down, Batter enters the dugout, R1 is then tagged out by F5. How many outs are there? ASA? NFHS?

Manny A Sat May 31, 2014 02:08pm

Unless I'm missing something, this seems pretty straightforward. I can't imagine what you may be thinking that would lead to any other conclusion but two outs.

agr8zebra Sat May 31, 2014 02:13pm

I think it is something we miss frequently, what is it?

RKBUmp Sat May 31, 2014 03:06pm

In fed the ball is dead when the batter runner enters the dugout.

CecilOne Sat May 31, 2014 03:20pm

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 935209)
In fed the ball is dead when the batter runner enters the dugout.

rule cite ?

RKBUmp Sat May 31, 2014 03:32pm

8-2-4 Penalty The ball is dead and the runner(s) must return to the last base touched at the time of the infraction.

LIUmp Sat May 31, 2014 04:20pm

The ball is dead in ASA also. 8-2D Effect. One out, runner is returned to third.

RKBUmp Sat May 31, 2014 04:23pm

8-2-d effect says slow pitch

LIUmp Sat May 31, 2014 04:48pm

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 935215)
8-2-d effect says slow pitch

That's under EXCEPTION. It is listed as EFFECT Section 2D-H, and is listed after rule H on p. 86.

IRISHMAFIA Sat May 31, 2014 04:49pm

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 935215)
8-2-d effect says slow pitch

No, it doesn't

IRISHMAFIA Sat May 31, 2014 04:50pm

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Originally Posted by LIUmp (Post 935217)
That's under EXCEPTION. It is listed as EFFECT Section 2D-H, and is listed after rule H on p. 86.

And the Exception is to the out ruling, nothing else

LIUmp Sat May 31, 2014 04:54pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 935219)
And the Exception is to the out ruling, nothing else

So in slow pitch if there is a force and this happens, the ball is live. Is that what the exception is saying?

RKBUmp Sat May 31, 2014 04:59pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 935218)
No, it doesn't


What is the (Slow Pitch) right next to the exception then under D?

As for the ball being dead, the last case book I have access to is from 2007 and in every instance in the case book for fast pitch when a player enters the team area it indicates the ball remains live. Have they changed the rule in the book since 2007?

IRISHMAFIA Sat May 31, 2014 06:47pm

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 935221)
What is the (Slow Pitch) right next to the exception then under D?

As for the ball being dead, the last case book I have access to is from 2007 and in every instance in the case book for fast pitch when a player enters the team area it indicates the ball remains live. Have they changed the rule in the book since 2007?

It is to allow for HRs where the batter-runner is not required to run the bases, but simply go to the dugout.

The rule itself is a bad rule. And we've had this discussion before where it could deprive the defense of effecting additional outs on the play.

And, again, there was a proposal a few years back to keep the ball live that was summarily dismissed by the committees.

agr8zebra Sat May 31, 2014 07:16pm

I don't have an ASA book, it is dead NFHS. So Fast Pitch ASA it is also dead?


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