how many outs do you have?

[RKBUmp]

In fed the ball is dead when the batter runner enters the dugout.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

In fed the ball is dead when the batter runner enters the dugout.

rule cite ?

[RKBUmp]

8-2-4 Penalty The ball is dead and the runner(s) must return to the last base touched at the time of the infraction.

[LIUmp]

The ball is dead in ASA also. 8-2D Effect. One out, runner is returned to third.

[RKBUmp]

8-2-d effect says slow pitch

[LIUmp]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

8-2-d effect says slow pitch

That's under EXCEPTION. It is listed as EFFECT Section 2D-H, and is listed after rule H on p. 86.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by LIUmp

That's under EXCEPTION. It is listed as EFFECT Section 2D-H, and is listed after rule H on p. 86.

And the Exception is to the out ruling, nothing else

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

8-2-d effect says slow pitch

No, it doesn't

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No, it doesn't

What is the (Slow Pitch) right next to the exception then under D?

As for the ball being dead, the last case book I have access to is from 2007 and in every instance in the case book for fast pitch when a player enters the team area it indicates the ball remains live. Have they changed the rule in the book since 2007?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

In fed the ball is dead when the batter runner enters the dugout.

Oooh, I feel sheepish. I didn't realize the rule required killing the play to call the BR out.

I have never done that; in fact, when a BR enters DBT after failing to advance to first on an U3K, I seldom make any signal or announcement. If she decides to come out of the dugout to try to advance to first, then I would say something. But that's never happened to me before.

FWIW, the NCAA rule allows for the ball to be kept live. So does every other organization I've umpired in (baseball-wise) except, I've now learned, ASA and FED softball.