number of defensive conferences

[jodibuck]

In a NCHSAA playoff game, the umpires misapplied the rule for the number of defensive conferences for a team playing NFHS rules. The umpires enforced the NCAA rule of having to remove a pitcher after the second defensive team conference in an inning.

Tough loss | Washington Daily News

[RKBUmp]

Sounds like the whole crew got the "got a second" call from the boss. An entire crew didnt know its only NCAA that allows only 1 defensive conference per inning?

[EsqUmp]

This is wrong for NCAA. The umpires are supposed to prevent the time out from occurring since a 2nd conference with announcement of the change results in the coach's ejection.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Sounds like the whole crew got the "got a second" call from the boss. An entire crew didnt know its only NCAA that allows only 1 defensive conference per inning?

Before you say "only," you may want to consider some other rulebooks out there...

[RKBUmp]

You are correct, but NSA is the only one I can come up with so far that is 1 per inning and dont know how big that particular association is because it isnt played at all out here.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by jodibuck

In a NCHSAA playoff game, the umpires misapplied the rule for the number of defensive conferences for a team playing NFHS rules. The umpires enforced the NCAA rule of having to remove a pitcher after the second defensive team conference in an inning.

Tough loss | Washington Daily News

Maybe they should use HS umpires.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Maybe they should use HS umpires.

But, but, but.... college umpires are BETTER!

[Big Slick]

A misapplication of a misapplication. How much worse can it get (well, other than the write up, as my "travel ball" has the same rule about conferences). Anyway, what is real curious is the 20 minute delay that is mentioned in the article. During this 20 minutes, you would think that someone would get a rule book. That would have solved this issue, no?

And for you NCAA umpires out there, as EquUmp said, the penalty is a coach ejection, not removal of the pitcher. And we wonder why this question is on the test year after year.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

This is wrong for NCAA. The umpires are supposed to prevent the time out from occurring since a 2nd conference with announcement of the change results in the coach's ejection.

Don't you mean a second conference without the announcement of a change?

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

...Anyway, what is real curious is the 20 minute delay that is mentioned in the article. During this 20 minutes, you would think that someone would get a rule book. That would have solved this issue, no?....

This is the part that jumped out at me.

20 minutes?????? And they still didn't get it right????

What the heck happened during this 20 minute delay?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Andy

This is the part that jumped out at me.

20 minutes?????? And they still didn't get it right????

What the heck happened during this 20 minute delay?

Sounds like they were trying to find the protest committee that the powers-that-be apparently forgot to organize.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

But, but, but.... college umpires are BETTER!

Now THAT'S FUNNY!

[SE Minnestoa Re]

When you work multiple levels at the same time (such as NCAA softball, high school softball and high school baseball) you sure better know the rule differences off the top of your head. Nothing will get you in trouble quicker than applying the wrong rule to the wrong game.

Lack of rule knowledge is totally unacceptable.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by Dakota

But, but, but.... college umpires are BETTER!

Yeah, I'll second the "that's funny" comment.

Worked HS varsity w/ a guy that does college ball. I don't know what level.

Top of the first, a lefty batter drops a bunt down that has a lot of spin on it. In her attempt to not come in contact with the ball, she takes a path inside the baseline that brought her about 10' from the line. About a third of the way down the line, BU partner calls her out. I was trailing and looking for possible contact and clearly saw there was none.

O-coach asks him to check w/ me. He does. I tell him what I saw - no contact. He then turns to the coach and said: "He didn't see anything. We're staying with the out."

After the game, I asked about it. He claims he thought he saw something. Specifically that the ball appeared to pick up speed after the runner jumped over it. I said that was probably because of the spin on the ball.

So he thought he saw something. I clearly provided him information to the contrary. He apparently couldn't reverse his call.

Yup. Better.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Yeah, I'll second the "that's funny" comment.

Worked HS varsity w/ a guy that does college ball. I don't know what level.

Top of the first, a lefty batter drops a bunt down that has a lot of spin on it. In her attempt to not come in contact with the ball, she takes a path inside the baseline that brought her about 10' from the line. About a third of the way down the line, BU partner calls her out. I was trailing and looking for possible contact and clearly saw there was none.

O-coach asks him to check w/ me. He does. I tell him what I saw - no contact. He then turns to the coach and said: "He didn't see anything. We're staying with the out."

After the game, I asked about it. He claims he thought he saw something. Specifically that the ball appeared to pick up speed after the runner jumped over it. I said that was probably because of the spin on the ball.

So he thought he saw something. I clearly provided him information to the contrary. He apparently couldn't reverse his call.

Yup. Better.

You should've talked to him later between innings and told him not to make calls from 60+ feet away while you're right on top of the play.