defensive conferences

[newump]

in ncaa - how many trips can a coach make to a pitcher before the pitcher must be removed? the rulebook seems to indicate a combination of fed and pro rules, but BRD only indicates that the pro rule only comes into effect in extra innings. please clarify.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by newump

in ncaa - how many trips can a coach make to a pitcher before the pitcher must be removed? the rulebook seems to indicate a combination of fed and pro rules, but BRD only indicates that the pro rule only comes into effect in extra innings. please clarify.

The team gets three "free" conferences (that is, conferences on which they don't have to remove a pitcher) in each game, plus one additional conference if the game goes extra innings.

In addition, a pitcher must be removed on the second visit in an inning.

[newump]

is BRD wrong?? because it seems to indicate that the 2nd trip/same pitcher/same inning rule only applies in extra innings.

[ManInBlue]

bob has more experience than do I, so I'm not arguing his comment. However, I just read this rule today. What I read was that you have three per 9 innings (don't recall the two same inning, etc). Also you get one more per three extra innings. Any unused in regulation can carry over into the extra innings.

edit to add: You can look up the 2007 NCAA rules on line. You should be able to find a definitive answer there. Just Google for NCAA baseball rules and it'll be your first choice.

[DG]

Originally Posted by newump

is BRD wrong?? because it seems to indicate that the 2nd trip/same pitcher/same inning rule only applies in extra innings.

Bob is correct. 9-4a says 3 trips per game plus an extra trip in extra innings, except by 9-4b exception which says 2 trips in same inning is cause to remove.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by newump

is BRD wrong?? because it seems to indicate that the 2nd trip/same pitcher/same inning rule only applies in extra innings.

The 2006 version of the BRD is correct (that is the latest issue). If you are reading a 2006 version, re-read the section again - it gets a little confusing for new NCAA umpires.

Regards

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ManInBlue

bob has more experience than do I, so I'm not arguing his comment. However, I just read this rule today. What I read was that you have three per 9 innings (don't recall the two same inning, etc). Also you get one more per three extra innings.

The "one more per three extra innings" applies to OFFENSIVE conferences. The DEFENSE gets one extra for the game.

[newump]

bob is correct. ncaa rule 9.4.b indicates that a pitcher must be removed when 2nd trip, same inning, same pitcher. it does not refer to "extra innings" therefore it applies to regulation play. BRD 2006 refers to this rule only applying in "extra" innings. i'm not sure what some of you are reading?

my only concern was that BRD seems to be wrong.
i just heard from carl and he just confirmed it.
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[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The "one more per three extra innings" applies to OFFENSIVE conferences. The DEFENSE gets one extra for the game.

Good thing I was planning to re-read the rules, huh?