number of defensive conferences

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by jodibuck

In a NCHSAA playoff game, the umpires misapplied the rule for the number of defensive conferences for a team playing NFHS rules. The umpires enforced the NCAA rule of having to remove a pitcher after the second defensive team conference in an inning.

Tough loss | Washington Daily News

Maybe they should use HS umpires.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Maybe they should use HS umpires.

But, but, but.... college umpires are BETTER!

[Big Slick]

A misapplication of a misapplication. How much worse can it get (well, other than the write up, as my "travel ball" has the same rule about conferences). Anyway, what is real curious is the 20 minute delay that is mentioned in the article. During this 20 minutes, you would think that someone would get a rule book. That would have solved this issue, no?

And for you NCAA umpires out there, as EquUmp said, the penalty is a coach ejection, not removal of the pitcher. And we wonder why this question is on the test year after year.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

...Anyway, what is real curious is the 20 minute delay that is mentioned in the article. During this 20 minutes, you would think that someone would get a rule book. That would have solved this issue, no?....

This is the part that jumped out at me.

20 minutes?????? And they still didn't get it right????

What the heck happened during this 20 minute delay?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Andy

This is the part that jumped out at me.

20 minutes?????? And they still didn't get it right????

What the heck happened during this 20 minute delay?

Sounds like they were trying to find the protest committee that the powers-that-be apparently forgot to organize.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

But, but, but.... college umpires are BETTER!

Now THAT'S FUNNY!

[SE Minnestoa Re]

When you work multiple levels at the same time (such as NCAA softball, high school softball and high school baseball) you sure better know the rule differences off the top of your head. Nothing will get you in trouble quicker than applying the wrong rule to the wrong game.

Lack of rule knowledge is totally unacceptable.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by Dakota

But, but, but.... college umpires are BETTER!

Yeah, I'll second the "that's funny" comment.

Worked HS varsity w/ a guy that does college ball. I don't know what level.

Top of the first, a lefty batter drops a bunt down that has a lot of spin on it. In her attempt to not come in contact with the ball, she takes a path inside the baseline that brought her about 10' from the line. About a third of the way down the line, BU partner calls her out. I was trailing and looking for possible contact and clearly saw there was none.

O-coach asks him to check w/ me. He does. I tell him what I saw - no contact. He then turns to the coach and said: "He didn't see anything. We're staying with the out."

After the game, I asked about it. He claims he thought he saw something. Specifically that the ball appeared to pick up speed after the runner jumped over it. I said that was probably because of the spin on the ball.

So he thought he saw something. I clearly provided him information to the contrary. He apparently couldn't reverse his call.

Yup. Better.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Yeah, I'll second the "that's funny" comment.

Worked HS varsity w/ a guy that does college ball. I don't know what level.

Top of the first, a lefty batter drops a bunt down that has a lot of spin on it. In her attempt to not come in contact with the ball, she takes a path inside the baseline that brought her about 10' from the line. About a third of the way down the line, BU partner calls her out. I was trailing and looking for possible contact and clearly saw there was none.

O-coach asks him to check w/ me. He does. I tell him what I saw - no contact. He then turns to the coach and said: "He didn't see anything. We're staying with the out."

After the game, I asked about it. He claims he thought he saw something. Specifically that the ball appeared to pick up speed after the runner jumped over it. I said that was probably because of the spin on the ball.

So he thought he saw something. I clearly provided him information to the contrary. He apparently couldn't reverse his call.

Yup. Better.

You should've talked to him later between innings and told him not to make calls from 60+ feet away while you're right on top of the play.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by Manny A

You should've talked to him later between innings and told him not to make calls from 60+ feet away while you're right on top of the play.

Well, that could have been my emotional response. But we did have an entire game to get through and this was my first game with this guy. I didn't know how he might react and just decided to post-game it.

What's bothersome to me is the reluctance of some umpires to reverse their call when they are provided with information that would allow us to get the call right. Both coaches in this game knew that "we" blew that call. I don't like that it reflected poorly on us as a crew or me as an individual. My partner's comment that I "didn't see anything" was simply a falsehood made to rationalize his refusal to reverse a bad call.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Well, that could have been my emotional response. But we did have an entire game to get through and this was my first game with this guy. I didn't know how he might react and just decided to post-game it.

What's bothersome to me is the reluctance of some umpires to reverse their call when they are provided with information that would allow us to get the call right. Both coaches in this game knew that "we" blew that call. I don't like that it reflected poorly on us as a crew or me as an individual. My partner's comment that I "didn't see anything" was simply a falsehood made to rationalize his refusal to reverse a bad call.

Old school baseball mentality that once you make the call, THAT IS THE CALL, end of story. That was pitiful back then, even more so in today's world

[LIUmp]

Originally Posted by Manny A

You should've talked to him later between innings and told him not to make calls from 60+ feet away while you're right on top of the play.

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