Run scores?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by LIUmp

I figured if I posted the question, and then was able to show how many responses came back from umpires across the country saying what the ruling is and an explanation, it will show that: I will work to find answers for the "non-believers", and that I did NOT influence the responses. It's easy to say, Read the RULE book. But they don't. So, when a situation comes up, I hope to post it and get a response so I can share it with the masses.

...Even when you SHOW them the rule, or explain the rationale....they will STILL argue it. So after saying what I said to 4 guys after a meeting we had, I told them I'd ask those who know about the rules because they help clarify them nationally.

If they are that stubborn that they won't believe what they read in the book, I still don't see how they are going to buy in on what other faceless "internet umpires" say.

From your first post, these guys believe a force exists after the batter-runner is put out on a caught fly ball. I quoted text from two rule books, ASA and NCAA, that explicitly contradicts their beliefs. You show them that text in those books for them to read. And they are really going to argue? And then you show them umpire discussion board responses that say they are wrong. They are going to believe that over black-and-white rulings in the books? Wow.

[MD Longhorn]

Manny, it's not as far-fetched as that. I've had numerous instances of showing someone (or a group) something in a book, having people not believe (or saying they interpret a pretty black and white rule differently, etc), and posting it here. There are 4-5 pretty high up ASA and FED muckimucks here, and most of us know who they are. If those people post something - it gets believed.

Human nature. Can't always predict it.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

There are 4-5 pretty high up ASA and FED muckimucks here, and most of us know who they are. If those people post something - it gets believed.

Perhaps. But I'm guessing umpires who believe a live-ball appeal of a runner failing to tag up properly is a force out don't recognize the names of those muckimucks.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Perhaps. But I'm guessing umpires who believe a live-ball appeal of a runner failing to tag up properly is a force out don't recognize the names of those muckimucks.

You have a point!