Run scores?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by LIUmp

R1 on 3rd, R2 on 2nd, R4 on 1st. 1 out. Fly ball hit to F9 caught for 2nd out, they throw back to first to get R4 who never tagged and was going back to base but didn't make it in time. R1 crossed the plate before the legal appeal of R4. Run scores, right?

I have a handful of umpires who are saying it's a force out and no runs can score on a force out. I say it's not a force out, it's an appeal play and a timing play.

You have a handful of pretenders, not umpires.

[EsqUmp]

2011 NYSSO TEST

84. R3 is on 3rd base and R1 is on 1st base with one out when B1 hits a fly ball to right field. When F9 catches the fly ball, R3 legally tags up and scores before R1 is retired returning to 1st base:
a. No runs wills score on that double play and the inning is over
b. The out on R1 at 1st base is a force out
c. The play stands and the inning is over but the run by R3 counts
d. R3’s run is nullified because of the force out on R1 at 1st base

[CecilOne]

Where does anyone get the idea that it is a force out?

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Where does anyone get the idea that it is a force out?

The thought process of 1) not reading any definitions beacuse they already "know" the game, and 2) if you don't have to tag the runner, just the base, it must be a "force".

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

The thought process of 1) not reading any definitions beacuse they already "know" the game, and 2) if you don't have to tag the runner, just the base, it must be a "force".

And the hands are part of the bat.

[KJUmp]

Umpiring 101. Those guys should all have to go back and repeat the class.

[DeputyUICHousto]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

And the hands are part of the bat.

Haven't you seen the bats that you buy with the hands already attached?