Umpire error, or BOO?

[SRW]

3-0 count on B1. Next pitch is ball 4, but neither B1, OC or PU realize it. PU calls 3-0 count, and B1 stays in the box. Next pitch is fouled off by B1. O coach asks PU if that was ball 4 on the previous pitch. PU asks BU what he has for a count. BU says he had ball 4 on the last pitch, and now he has 0-1. They check with the home book, confirming ball 4 was indeed thrown, and the last pitch was fouled off.

Is the count now 3-1 to B1, or do you have BOO to B2 with a non-awarded base on balls?

NCAA, NFHS, and ASA please.

(and no, this did not happen to me. )

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SRW

3-0 count on B1. Next pitch is ball 4, but neither B1, OC or PU realize it. PU calls 3-0 count, and B1 stays in the box. Next pitch is fouled off by B1. O coach asks PU if that was ball 4 on the previous pitch. PU asks BU what he has for a count. BU says he had ball 4 on the last pitch, and now he has 0-1. They check with the home book, confirming ball 4 was indeed thrown, and the last pitch was fouled off.

Is the count now 3-1 to B1, or do you have BOO to B2 with a non-awarded base on balls?

NCAA, NFHS, and ASA please.

(and no, this did not happen to me. )

This is one of the more correctable errors possible in a game, so I correct it.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

This is one of the more correctable errors possible in a game, so I correct it.

I see three reasonable "corrections" here.

Is your correction to put the batter on first base ... and if so, does the next batter have an 0-1 count?

Or does the batter now have a 3-1 count?

(Personally, I think an umpire could justify any of the above. I believe I'd be putting the batter on 1st, no count on the next batter - that next "pitch" wasn't really a pitch - BR had not yet accepted her award, so all we really had was pitcher and catcher throwing the ball back and forth)

This does raise an interesting question... two really...
1) Does your answer change if it was strike three instead of ball four?
2) What do you do if batter hits that 4-1 pitch?

[x-tremeump]

This does raise an interesting question... two really...
1) Does your answer change if it was strike three instead of ball four?
2) What do you do if batter hits that 4-1 pitch?


Please tell us, we are just waiting for your words to Umpire by. Maybe the old Irish Ump with the ear rings can help.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

This does raise an interesting question... two really...
1) Does your answer change if it was strike three instead of ball four?
2) What do you do if batter hits that 4-1 pitch?


Please tell us, we are just waiting for your words to Umpire by. Maybe the old Irish Ump with the ear rings can help.

Um .... what?

[CecilOne]

Thank you for typing my thought:
" I believe I'd be putting the batter on 1st, no count on the next batter - that next "pitch" wasn't really a pitch - BR had not yet accepted her award, so all we really had was pitcher and catcher throwing the ball back and forth"

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Thank you for typing my thought:
" I believe I'd be putting the batter on 1st, no count on the next batter - that next "pitch" wasn't really a pitch - BR had not yet accepted her award, so all we really had was pitcher and catcher throwing the ball back and forth"

I don't know how you can call a strike and ignore the previous ball which awarded the runner 1B without liability to be put out.

Yes, I would award the B 1B and bring the next scheduled batter to the plate to begin their turn at bat.

[x-tremeump]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Um .... what?

Just asking what is the answer to your 2 questions ?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

Just asking what is the answer to your 2 questions ?

So was I. That's what a question is for.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I don't know how you can call a strike and ignore the previous ball which awarded the runner 1B without liability to be put out.

Yes, I would award the B 1B and bring the next scheduled batter to the plate to begin their turn at bat.

So you're using Rule 10.3.C? How can you do that after one pitch has been thrown?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SRW

So you're using Rule 10.3.C? How can you do that after one pitch has been thrown?

No, I would be using 8.1.C

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by SRW

So you're using Rule 10.3.C? How can you do that after one pitch has been thrown?

What pitch? Can the pitcher pitch before the BR reaches first base?

[EsqUmp]

An umpire's error cannot put a player in jeopardy. Keeping the batter in the box would be putting her in jeopardy. Give her first base. No count to the next batter.

[SamG]

Similar situation happened in my daughter's middle school game last night. I was keeping the visitor book. No outs. R1 on 1st. I have full count in the book on B2. Pitcher sends (what I have) as pitch #6. B2 swings and misses. PU calls 'Strike' and then says 'Full Count'.

Huh. I must have accidently marked an extra pitch (I haven't kept a book in years but was the only parent who slightly knew-or admitted knowing-how). OK, it happens.

Next pitch comes in... ball. R1 advances to 2nd, B/R goes to first base. B3 comes up and a pitch is thrown. At THAT point, home score keeper says B2 should have been out. That got the home coach involved.

PU ended up sending B2 to the dugout, R1 back to first, and 1 out.